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Beslan school siege: Russia 'failed to prevent' massacre

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    "for the same reason" what reasons? why Koba - stalin ordered antisemitic purges ?
     
    litwin, Apr 20, 2017
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    Litvinov was a Jew. The Nazis did not like negotiating with a Jew - enter Molotov.
     
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    This I agree.
     
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    yes, but after 1936 % of Jews in nomenclature (including NKVD) decreasing since then , and in 50th Koba openly planned a total annihilation of Jews , Jewish people rights were restricted , antisemitism became a normal in sovok etc
     
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    This is true, for example, Jewish people had a lot of problems to get into the Universities for studies, Doctor's case, etc.
     
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    Yes, when Stalin died he had already assembled the rolling stock to transport all Jews to Siberian camps. The Jews were lucky - for a change.
     
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    its true, look like Beriya saved millions of sovet Jews . any idea why koba wanted to eliminate them?
     
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    It is my understanding that many of the medical doctors were Jews. Stalin was convinced that they were plotting to kill him.
     
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    No, i posted already info, and you missed it, even in desperate war against both dictators Koba and Hitler, UPA didn´t see the Jews as the foes, even more. UPA had many Jewish fighters. German and Muscovite nationalism in 20c saw the Jews , as the main enemies , who had to be eradicate. Poland (second polish republic) targeted them too, but Poland had way softer approach (deportation) . UPA ideology (later period) for instance was important for many Cuban revolutionaries , and their ideology
     
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    well this is pretty damning, they had specific information and did nothing. Also the use of flamethrowers and tanks added to the casualties.

    I unfortunately didn't have enough time to watch the full video but scrolled through some of it, the kids being interviewed is heartbreaking, so very young.

     
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    I thought Stalin was going to concentrate them in his new Jewish Republic.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
    So my ex Russian wife taught me.

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    Canada-Mountie-2.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.     ​
     
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    It was his nature. Antisemitic.
    And in the party, they were the educated.

    Litwin.
    What did you think of Ruby Ridge on PBS American Experience.
    I hope you experienced it. Even a few minutes. And Waco too.
    I hope you found it a bit, enlightening or making you "wonder".

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g


    :nana: :flagcanada:​
     
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    which is in the middle of Siberian hell ...30% would die during transportation for sure, like Chechens did
     
    litwin, Apr 21, 2017
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    Stalin's Himmler Plan? The notion of an "autonomous" state within the USSR is a stretch.
     
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    this part of ussr even hard core sovoks call for state within the hell.

    why do you think the sovok´s Jews didn´t move there?
     
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    Stalin's death saved the remaining Soviet Jews.
     
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    So was calling Ukraine a Republic,

    and looked what happened.



    Or :flagcanada: a country. ​
     
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    A defenseless republic is just a tempting prize.
     
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    Tell that to the Swiss.
    Maybe Iceland too.
    Or even :flagcanada: if you count them too.

    Ukraine is a region, not a Republic.
    The ole USSR termed what were administrative areas as Republics.
    And the west played a game with such terminology.
    You will probably have the last word.
    I don't wish to debate the legitimacy of Ukraine as a nation all over again like deja-vu
    repeating itself in an on going loop, over and over again.


    Moi :oldman:
    1905, mother's parents came to :flagus:
    from Kiev, Russia

    r > g


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    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​
     
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    The Swiss are very well defended. Iceland has been a tempting prize since the US military left Keflavik.
     
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    The old man tried to provoke me , and you. Ukraine has one of the best army in Europe, ulus of juchi have 0 chance to take over Ukraine. In 2014 it had 5000 combat fighters , today more then 200 000 . Ulus of juchi lost 2 wars against a little Chechenya, which has never had more then 2000 fighters . You can ask any expert how many combat fighters does have Muscovites today, not much + they are Intruders meanwhile Ukrainians fight at home and do It very, very well...
     
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    The Ukraine historically has not been thought of as passive. Ukrainians apparently had too much confidence in USG promises of military support - they should have kept their nukes. A military build up was obviously overdue.
     
    Ddyad, Apr 22, 2017
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