Why are liberals so protective of Muslims?

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  1. Le Chef

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    Christians, to hear liberals and hard leftists tell it, are intolerant hypocrites. Muslims, however, can seemingly do no wrong, even though women in many Muslim countries are overtly oppressed, in the cultures and the legal systems.

    Even when Muslims commit an act of terror, the Left reports it as an almost understandable act of desperation by the oppressed, Israel and the USA being the usual oppressors.

    Today I read a happy story in the Huffington Post that some female boxer can "finally wear her hijab!" [in the ring]. The only notoriously Christian athlete I can think of is Tim Tebow, and the Left hates his guts, though he sounds like a really nice person. I can't imagine the leftist press trumpeting any good news about or due to Tim Tebow's christianity or random acts of kindness.

    What gives on the Left? Is it because the western powers colonized North Africa and the mideast that Christianity is guilty by association?
     
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    Liberals are protective of many groups the Right wants to hang from trees.
    They also know the christians follow the same god, and if not for liberals and secularism, they'd be still hanging folks in trees, or throwing women in lakes to see if they are witches.
    Liberals know, the assinine problems with religions can be overcome. Christian actions in the west is a prime example.
     
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    Why?
    Well, first of all your claim that Americans to the left of you defend terrorism is Bull S**t.
    But when I defend an American Citizen who is Muslim, I do so for the following reason only ...

    America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".

    -From "The American President".

    That's why.
     
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    What Muslims do which Christians want to hang from trees?
     
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    Any one not white was the original. I'm sure LGBT types also.
    But secular gov't stopped it. There was a time our gov't looked the other way.
     
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    You don't sound nearly as familiar with the left as I am.

    I'm glad you defend Muslim citizens from whatever lynch mob you imagine is pursuing them, but can't deny that the left gives Islam a pass on oppression of women and it's intolerance if infidels, and yes, it often seeks to identify the "root causes" of terrorism. And those root causes are imperialism and racism.

    Well, you can deny it, but not seriously.
     
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    Several reasons.

    First, the muslims who commit the atrocities (i.e., actually practice Islam) are not here in the USA so its easy to claim Islam is a "religion of peace" and that those muslims overseas who commit atrocities are not "real" muslims.

    Second, the "progressives" are not really pro-islam, they are anti-America and will oppose everything that upholds the USA and will support everything that destabilizes the USA. Islam (just like the gay rights issues) is just a tool to pry the nation away from its foundations and make destabilization easier. Once they have served their purpose, "progressives" will dump islam (and the LGBTs) and squash them just like they hope to squash Christianity.
     
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    Tell
    You might review the role of Christian abolitionists.

    My theory is that liberals are too afraid of Muslims to say out loud what they really think of them, their dress code, and their otherwise medieval outlook.

    I don't blame them at all for not wanting to be murdered for insulting the prophet or somesuch. I just wish they'd lay off the comparatively tolerant Christian community.

    Christ in urine gets you a grant because it's great art. Post a video of yourself putting a Koran (never mind a depiction of the Prophet) in a toilet and see what happens. (Nice knowing you.)
     
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    Sounds like your "familiarity" comes more from right-wing talk show host talking points than actual interaction.

    I can say that today 95% of the world's Muslims were not involved in any terrorists acts, and probably won't be involved in terrorists acts in the future and still think that their acts against gay people and their history on women's rights are deplorable. I can say that you are more likely to die while crossing a train track than by the hand of a Muslim and still find acts of terror justified by any religion as being indescribably heinous.

    Problem with you is this Disease where 1 = All. You think if one person from any group does something then that means ALL persons from that group think and act the same way. Real life doesn't work that way.
     
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    Great answer. But why are they anti-American? Our constitution guarantees their right to spit on Christianity, the Fourth of July, mom and apple pie, Norman Rockwell and our military and police, and now even on the First Amendment.

    They'd replace all that with ... What?
     
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    The leftist press and leftist celebrities drawing huge crowds are part of real life. They both spit on Christianity and are utterly silent on Islamic terrorism.

    Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion of Tim Tebow? Isn't he the best?
     
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    I haven't heard of the left being afraid of Amish. They dress similar. Granted, they are dressing from the 1800s and not the 700s.
    I haven't heard of the left being afraid of nuns, covered head to toe.
    How they dress is pretty much irrelevant.

    I doubt they're afraid of being murdered also. Maybe you have a link to some left person being afraid of being murdered by a muslim?
    It seems it's the right who is scared.
     
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    No, it's not a great answer. It's a pathetically lazy answer that parrots right wing radio talking points and requires no real thought process. It tries to lump 100 million Americans into some generic pot of swill. Real people cannot be so broadly contained in preset concepts. It's an answer of a simpleton not willing to give actual thought to a problem.
     
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    What is your theory of why Hollywood mocks Mormons and other Christians and won't even depict an image of the Prophet?

    I think that cartoon with Kyle and Cartman -- I can't think of the name of that show for some reason -- put up a nice teddy bear image in place of the Prophet when they covered Islam, this probably to avoid getting murdered. Who can blame them?
     
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    Tebow? Seems to be an average player who hasn't yet made in in the big leagues - either in football or baseball - so I'm not really sure why you want to hoist him on a pedestal. As to your other comment, that's just lazy commentary on your part. You can find condemnation of terrorists acts all over the internet from people to the left of you. It's not their fault that you are too lazy to research them.
     
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    A dictatorship. They claim that they are for "social justice" and "equality", and they speak of vague forms of government like democratic socialism, but look at their actions and listen to them when they think they are in private. They seek to destroy anyone who opposes them in any way, even to the point of violently physically attacking people who oppose them.

    Look at the Wisconsin "John Doe" investigations in which a Democrat state attorney and a Democrat judge (both opposed Gov Walkers anti-union policies) terrorized people who supported Gov. Walker. Average people were subjected to SWAT raids and harassment for years.
    http://nypost.com/2015/04/20/hunting-witches-in-wisconsin/
    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...e-i-thought-it-was-home-invasion-david-French
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421274/

    That's how the "left" acts when they think they can get away with it.

    Go to the national level, look at the way obamacare was passed (lies, political shenanigans, ram it down your throat attitude), or the use of the IRS to target conservatives.

    The "left" thinks they are smarter than those deplorables and should run everything because deplorables are too stupid to do the proper things (what the left wants them to do).
     
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    That's just my theory to explain the left's indisputable protectiveness of Islam. I am sure there are better theories, but if you won't accept my premise, then debate is pretty pointless.

    To get back to the point of this thread, I have far less fear of Muslim fanatics than I have of leftists and liberals, though only because there are fewer of the former where I live.

    But right now I'm not even inquiring about Islam, about which I'm indifferent. I'm inquiring about the left. Leftists are simultaneously boring and fascinating, to me anyway.
     
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    Why? Because 99% of Americans do not interact with Muslims. Muslims do not write legislation or run on school boards. Muslims weren't here to segregate buses or eating establishments. Muslims in this country didn't kill Martin Luther King. Anita Bryant wasn't a Muslim. The history just isn't there.
     
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    See, there again is a nice leftist litany of grievances of Christians, though I didn't know that James Earl Ray was.much of a Christian.
    What atrocity Anita Bryant committed I don't know. But I appreciate your mentioning her. I had forgotten how she was vilified for having a traditional, Bible-based opinion on homosexuality. Let's not discuss Islam's views on that subject.

    My alternative theory is that the left routinely slams Christians because they know they can do so with utter impunity.
     
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    You know why I reference Tebow, and I'm embarrassed for you that you won't admit it. His athletic skills or lack thereof are hardly the point. The derision he faces from the Left is the point.

    Odd that you feel the need to push back against my stated respect for Tebow. Well, not all that odd.
     
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    Anita Bryant tried to abridge the Constitutional Rights of American Citizens who happened to be gay. Even Ronald Reagan rebuked her for that.
    And again - pointing out history is not a list of grievances - it's just history.
     
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    Wait wait wait... so muslims- who throw gays off of buildings, enslave women, and kill non-muslims every day as the holy tennets of their orthodox theocracy need to be protected from conservatives because conservatives oppose gay marriage and some inbred KKKs lynched some folks 50 years ago.

    o_O
     
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    Hey - you want to put mediocrity on a pedestal - that's up to you. I would rather respect Jackie Robinson (also a Christian) who had REAL talent.
     
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    A simple minded post. Don't be lazy.
     
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    Still obsessed with physicality, are you? Yeah, that's really the point.

    You're an obtuse bore, sir. Thank you, however, for your disingenuous responses.
     

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