Transgenderism and Children: Child Abuse?

Given that there is no such thing, what you are advocating is the legalization of senseless mutilation under color of medicine.

 

I have to laugh. People (not necessarily you specifically) demand proof and then call the proof fake. So exactly what "proof" and with what big names behind it should I find since archaeologists and anthropologists are full of "pseudoscientific (not a word by the way) bullshit"?

 

First off there is nothing illegal about sex change surgery!

Secondly people have every right to "mutilate" themselves if they so wish.

Are you going to make breast enhancement surgery illegal since that too can be defined as the "senseless mutilation under color of medicine"?

How about rhinoplasty? Isn't that just another "senseless mutilation under color of medicine"?

If you want to step out on that slippery slope you will be banning tattoo parlors and orthodontia eventually.

 

While not being an expert on sex organ 'transplants', or other inventions (I have WAY too many other more important things to fill my day), I have understood that there are surgical 'inventions' or 'workarounds' (or whatever) that provide a person born as a male with some kind of 'vagina', and, a person born as a female with some kind of 'penis'.

What I've said is that once a person has become an adult (ADULT) in according to the laws in the state where he/she/it lives, then such procedures should be considered as legal -- a matter of personal freedom and choice, which things are the bedrock of who and what we are as the United States of America.

Personally? I find the whole "tranny" thing to be nauseating, perverted, and wholly insane. Most facets of homosexuality and other psychosexual dysfunctions have been proven to originate in defective olfactory physiology and the way that the sense of smell interacts with other brain functions... nevertheless. I've posted about this at least a dozen times.

BUT, as I said, each ADULT must have the right to make these decisions for him/her/its 'self'....

 

Rhinoplasty and breast implants - the nose remains a nose and a breast is still a breast.
Now there should be a law that makes it illegal for anyone to try and turn a nose into an ear.
But you can't turn a nose into an ear in any case. You can't make a real penis or a real vagina.
These male Tgs are never going to menstruate, give birth or go through menopause. You can butcher yourself or get someone to do it for you, but you can't change genders. It's pure delesion to think you can.

 

Uterine transplants say you are wrong.

 

Also, they are not "changing genders". They are embracing the gender they have always been. What was on the outside simply did not reflect what is on the inside.

 

You missed the point entirely.

 

Then why are you advocating the legalization of senseless mutilation under color of medicine?

But you're advocating a lot more than just self-determination. You're advocating further corruption of the medical profession.

 

Since when is a handful of doctors carrying out a medical procedure a "further corruption of the medical profession"?

 

I would agree with the OP in general. Life altering decisions like that which aren't being done out of medical necessity should be postponed until the child reaches legal adulthood.

 

Where is the harm? The procedure they are being subjected to includes major, irreversible life changes including infertility, radical appearance alterations and a significantly increased risk of suicide, reaching the staggering rate of 40%.

At the same time, the vast majority of gender confused children do end up identifying with their biological gender. That means that rushing into a gender transition is not only unecessary, but potentionally devastating for a person's entire life.

Therefore, it seems not only harmful, but in fact criminal, to make this kind of decision before your child reaches the age of accountability.

 

Transgenderism is just abuse, full stop. Abuse of humanity.

 

A voice of sanity. I'll bet there's thousands of millions of normal people around the world who sit there thinking "am I the only sane one who thinks this sh.t is just hilarious??".

 

Everything you posted is completely contrary to what I have read on the issue. Must be Breitbart. Here's a primer that you must have missed from earlier in the thread: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-on-the-rise/

First, most of these kids are being given puberty-delaying drugs, not irreversible surgery. Sex hormones to alter the phenotypic appearance to an adult of the other gender aren't really relevant until puberty anyway, and delaying puberty isn't going to have major permanent damage if they change their minds.

Second, they do NOT usually change their minds. About 98% of those who present with this issue do not change their mind (linked source gives raw numbers). Where did you get that information?

Third, it is almost never, if ever, the parents who initiate this. Changes today reflect less resistance from a parent to a child who insists they want to live as the other gender.

Fourth, while it is true this group has a high rate of suicidality, it is most certainly not because they have a sex change operation and then regret it. Again, where do you get these ideas?

 

I think we will look back on this someday as a mistake. I can't give sources but I have heard many people cite facts that suggest over 80% of children who claim to be the opposite sex, eventually grow out of it and it's never an issue later in life. If that figure is true, then letting them make that decision at a young age is pretty dangerous, potentially.

I think allowing them to live like they want is a VERY different thing than giving them surgery at a young age. I also think the surgery is not what people think it is. The body does not accept the surgery. It's effectively an open wound that the body tries to heal for the rest of their lives. It doesn't give the same feeling as actual genitalia; there is no climax. They are effectively living the rest of their lives celibate, with the occasional intimacy akin to letting some guy bang your elbow armpit.

All that said, if they are an adult, and this is what they want, I think we should allow them to do it. I also think we should treat them with the same respect we treat everyone else, regardless of surgery. Who really cares if some guy wants to wear makeup and a dress? It doesn't harm us; we should leave them alone.

 

It's CNS. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/j...tricians-transgender-conditioning-child-abuse

Of course, there doesn't appear to be a consensus among specialists: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789

This is a conversation on irreversable hormone therapy and surgery, but nevertheless.

Treating a child as the opposite gender, taking them to a gender clinic and putting them on puberty blockers is part of the transition process.

Humans are social animals. We develop our behaviour, beliefs, and sense of identity through our enviromental surroundings. Allowing your child to determine whether they are transgender from the age of four is not inconsequential; it interferes majorly with their future psychological development.
When the parental and social environment reaffirms and encourages gender dysphoria in children from an extremelly young and vulrerable age (the common narrative being that children of 2 or 3 can be diagnosed), it shapes their entire identity and influences their future desicions.

The point is that, at the moment, there is no scientific consensus on whether gender dysphoria is a result of nature or nurture, nor on whether gender reassignment therapy is an effective treatment. Therefore, given that the medical consequences of gender reassignment are so severe, and the suicide rates for post-operation transgender people so astoundingly high, one would think it would make sense to be extremelly cautious before identifying a small child as transgender. If you look at the inflated rates of children being referred to gender clinics and the increasingly expanded standards of diagnosis, this isn't happening.

A medical issue being reframed as a political issue, which is what we have now, can be especially hindering to scientifuc research and harmful for the actual individuals involved.

 

You had no point. You're equating penile amputation with boob jobs. You can always remove a breast implant. You never regrow a penis.

Now you're being willfully obtuse because everyone refers to it as 'the sex change operation'.
"First off there is nothing illegal about sex change surgery!" quote Derideo te.
And since they never were female, their DNA proves their gender to be male and their gender was never, at any time, female, so how could they know what they feel on the inside is female?

 

Which is why the doctor recently found to be performing vaginal mutilation on little Muslim girls was quickly covered-up by the left-wing media like New York Times. They eliminated the word, "mutilation" as too culturally loaded, and replaced it with "genital cutting" to make it inclusive of sex change operations. https://heatst.com/world/new-york-t...mutilation-because-its-too-culturally-loaded/ In this decision The Times is at odds with most campaigns against the practice, including officials in the US government and the United Nations. Both groups maintain that using proper terminology is an important part of eradicating the appalling practice.

It is no wonder children are confused -- they have grown up in progressive environments where it is politically incorrect to let a boy know he is a boy. They watch cartoons on television like Sponge Bob which are filled with subliminal gay messaging. Some is not so subliminal: in a Sponge Bob episode during a frenetic scene, Sponge Bob shouts out a nonsequitur meant to slip past the recognition of children: "Hello sodomites!". WTF kind of cartoon is that to be showing kids?

And what about Bill Nye? http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/bill-nyes-bizarre-video-on-transgenderism-bombs-on-youtube-video/
You want your 10-year-old seeing this?

 

Yet another miss by a mile!

Next time try responding to what I actually posted instead of whatever you imagine I posted.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth

Passing homophobic laws that marginalize the LGBT youth probably does nothing whatsoever to resolve the suicide rate and instead just increases it.

 

I'm not sure that this is correct. Not according to Freud anyway.

 

I think he made it up to be provocative. No one could be that misguided.

 

Children identify their own gender differences relatively early in life.

https://www.healthychildren.org/Eng...dentity-and-Gender-Confusion-In-Children.aspx

 

I'm not dissmissing the discrimination factor. However, the evidence on its significance is incoclusive. The stats are very hazy on the connection between bullying, discrimination and suicide; reporting, for example, that ethnic minority groups are much less likely to commit suicide than majority groups, despite the fact that minority groups report increased rates of discrimination. If we look at gender and race demographics, white males are the group most likely to die by suicide. (https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/)

On the other hand, research concerning trans people in particular centainly indicates a correlation. Yet, if you look at the stats (the AFSP transgender suicide study, for example), even if you exclusively take into account trans-people who are "passing" for their desired sex, who feel accepted by their familial environment, and who consider their quality of life to have remained unaltered by transgenderism, the suicide attempt rates are still significantly elevated compared to the rates of the general population; 30%+ vs 4-6%. The only social group that presents a similar risk of suicide attempt is sufferers of severe mental illness.

This, imo, suggests that though discrimination is a correlating factor, it is not the sole or primary cause.

My point is simply that society needs to be cautious with promoting gender transition to impressionable minors, when we have so little knowledge on what causes transgenderism in the first place, or whether gender reassignment therapy is the most effective way of treating it.

No idea what you're referring to.