The contrarians: They didn’t vote for Trump, but they would now

Well the 'World" is 2/3rds dictators and despots so that's ok by me.

 

You were badly wrong the last time you guessed. Whereas I was right as to who would win the general.

But I am not infected and affected by the inability to think critically, which tribe members suffer from. Paying attention during the primaries and general greatly helps in an educated and informed guess.

I cannot guess right now, in regards to 18, and certainly not 20. For there are too many factors involved. Yet I will pay attention to the winds and will give my opinion when the time comes.

I can only say this, for right now. It depends upon if trump can institute his economic policies, and what effect his changes might have upon the lives of people who work for a living. If those people can feel a difference, trump will serve 8 years, if he decides to run. The plight of working americans is what put trump into office. Yes, I know your tribe want to believe racism is why trump won, but you guys really were clueless as to why he is now president. But if the dems do not wake up, and trump succeeds, there will be more wailing and the gnashing of teeth from you tribe, and it is your own fault for a disconnect from reality, which lost you so many seats in power over the last 8 years. There is an anti globalist movement going on, and it isn't waning, it is picking up steam. Dems represent this economic globalism, just as the GOP does. Given these winds of change, created by human suffering, the better bet is to bet against globalism, and for economic nationalism. The economic nationalism put into place by our founders which made America great, healthy and prosperous in the first place and helps average citizens. Globalism was devised to help only the elites by creating greater disparity in income and wealth and by taking sovereignty away from the People, and giving it to the bankers, MNCs and the small group of elites who own them. Globalism is a cluster ****, a scheme, and sanders and trump ran against it. If your party does not change, they will be pissing into the wind in upcoming elections. You should really talk to them. Instead of making wishful guesses, this far out while still being clueless as to why trump is your president.

 

Naïve? The truly naïve was MSM and Hillary supporters. At least trump was intelligent enough to understand the People wanted change. He saw sanders was a change candidate, and trump ran on change as well. So, the proof is in the pudding, and it was Hillary voters and democrats who were a fry short of a Happy Meal.

Trump is doing great, except when it comes to him flip flopping into neocon land. I hope he comes to his senses on this aspect, for he did not run on what he is doing now with foreign policy. You will hate this, but here goes. Trump has done more to keep promises than any president in my voting life time. Your boy Obama sure as hell didn't. It seems that the things he has done, in regards to his promises, is ignored by the people who hate him. A list has been given on this forum of how he is trying to keep what he ran on. And he still has most of his first term to go. LOL. He will probably make history as being the most truthful president when it comes to keeping promises. His haters will continue to swim in De Nile. Many will drown. For they got in over their heads, after lying about what good swimmers they were.

 

excellent comments, deserved more than just a like.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

I do have some concerns that trump will get slowly indoctrinated into the political machine and Globalist views, but then again maybe some indoctrination is a good thing, as long as he still approaches it with an America first attitude and our trade partners go along for the ride.

I honestly didn't listen to many of his speeches because I saw no reason to at the time, and honestly after the fact I really don't give a dam if he falls short of expectations, and i'll try to clarify that.

When a NON politician makes statements and promises of change I suspect its because they are not fully aware of the big picture stuff that helps to justify why we do X or do Y globally. As a non politician myself it sure seems like we have been too generous with the checkbook and our military globally but I'm not an insider so i'm not aware of all the far reaching implications if we hadn't done what we did then and now. Very few people are fully aware to be honest

Now in present day, we have talking heads in the media, journalists, and even some PF posters that want to imply that they "have this all figured out" but I assure you, they don't have a dam thing figured out, they are on the outside looking in and have nothing more than loosely based opinions based on incomplete facts.

Trump is in that category for sure, an outsider saying what millions of voters were thinking, but that doesn't mean that what he says is correct, or that he can actually correct things that are wrong, but he definitely made a connection. As time goes by and he becomes more informed on just how the American Machine works, he will likely be forced to quietly concede that many of his opinions were either incorrect or at best correct but incomplete.

The Globalist movement, IMO it seems inevitable that we continue to move to a global economy but at the present time i'm of the opinion that doing so now would be a disadvantage to the USA because of uneven economic conditions across the globe. I can see fair and balanced trade between other comparable economies, say Canada and Western Europe for example but other countries have labor supplies and working conditions that we just can't match.

We are most definitely at a disadvantage on Trade although i'm not even close to being up to snuff on the big picture but anecdotally I know for sure that that when customers order stuff from my side business outside of the US they seem to be getting hammered with extra charges (I've been asked several times to deflate the value of goods sent, and I decline because that's their problem not mine), when I order stuff from outside the US my only concern is the additional shipping costs, not import charges. To my little pea brain that makes it pretty clear that we are not on equal footing.

 

Nope, a third party vote was for none of the above. I specifically did not vote for Trump nor for Hillary. Neither have the minimum of good character I require for my Presidential vote. It's strange that both Hillary and Trump supporters claim that not voting for them was the same as voting for their opponent. It's a flawed argument.

 

Well said and how sad. It will take years to undo the mess he is creating for our country.

 

I voted for Steve Rogers. Yes, that Steve Rogers.

But, I would vote for Trump today, given what I have seen since he was elected.

The way the Mediacrat Swamp People are acting, it just shows to me how deep the scam runs. No matter how ridiculous Trump and his presidency are, his agenda is right on. The over the top reaction to his agenda, just shows how corrupt the whole city is, as well as those who report on it. I think Trump has lit a fire that will not be tamped down by his own personal failure. Washington can give in to his agenda, or we will keep sending more like Trump until they do.

 

If the Republicans lose biggly in 2018.
Trump won't be around in 2020.

I guarantee the Dems in the house have impeachment paper already drawn up.
They are just waiting to fill in what they are impeaching him for.
Threat to National Security would likely be their fallback, if nothing worse comes up.

 

Yeah, because Trump sat at the head of a gigantic, hegemonic political machine that spent 1.3 billion as the "anointed one." Ever consider living in the real world for a change? In that real world, a vote for third parties was a vote for HRC. She lost anyway because the American people are smarter and better judges of character than I ever imagined. This is due to the intelligence/awareness engine of the internet, and will only get worse for the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex.

Better get those dependent baby/vote factories working three shifts or it's all over.

 

So what do you think his agenda is other than the obvious personal enrichment?

 

Yop, i heard that multiple times. It's my vote and I can do what I want with it. I found both of them unworthy for different reasons and I was comfortable with my decision.

 

If I could do it over again I would try even harder to directly facilitate more Trump votes than I did last time
Their are a few more people I could have got out to vote than the bunch that I did..

 

But by voting 3rd Party you accepted one of the 'bad' would win, you just lost your voice as to which one.

 

My voice was loud and clear, NEITHER. If others decided to vote for the least horrible candidate, so be it. It was their decision. In my mind the two major parties nominated two insane candidates. Two candidates that were surely to leave this country in much worst shape than when either entered office. Knowingly voting for a candidate who will do that is knowingly voting for doom. It was a pick your poison type of election, vote for Trump and drink cyanide or vote for Clinton and drink arsenic.

You're just as dead from either one, but you at least got to choose your poison. I decided not to, I opted to go without that drink offered by the two major parties. Now I may die of thirst, but it won't be from drinking the poison both major parties offered.

 

You'll die from the same poison as the rest of us, vote or no vote.

 

Probably so, but I did what I could to prevent that. It is just that way too many people where more than willing to drink the poison.

 

He is compromising our democracy by arbitrarily tossing immigrants out, even though there are 11 million who have been here for 20 years and know only America as their home. He is tossing them out at a cost of $10,000per body. He has separated parents from children, and left the children to fend for themselves.
We are a nation of immigrants and this policy has to be reevaluated. He has targeted Muslims as evil, even though many have been here forever. He fights with our allies (Germany, Australia, Turkey, South Korea, Mexico, Canada), fights with our enemies (Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran,North Korea) all at once. Our status as the leader of the free world is now seriously in question. Insane! He brings billionaires into his government and plans tax cuts which will benefit these people at the expense of the working class, even though he said that his billionaire friends may have to pay more. He brings questionable people into his inner circle, and then blames Obama when he doesn't properly vet them. He has a short fuse, cannot accept criticism, is vindictive and uninformed. There is no pragmatism in his approach to issues and he leaves himself no wiggle room to rethink. He is trying to muffle a press that only reports what is given to them. He gets his information from Fox News-Shawn Hannity, Shawn Hannity?? He complains about leaks and then blames the press who report these leaks, as fake news. What is he complaining about if the leaks are not true? He talks about repairing our country's infrastructure, at a cost of 1 trillion dollars (more like 4 trillion), which would create mucho jobs, and a silly wall at a cost of who knows? And yet he plans on balancing the budget, while giving huge tax cuts. It ain't gonna happen. I won't get into his war against the environment which will allow industry to destroy it, and his effort to allow gun owners to fire their weapons on protected government land. What the hell is he doing?

 

did I? you better re-read my posts

in fact I said it's not good to say it's a sure thing as that is te best way to lose as too many will not bother to vote if they think is a sure thing

 

What the party you don't agree with wants him to do. Do you realize there are other viewpoints besids your own?

 

And he is still in campaign mode. It is as if he doesn't realize HE WON. Even when in Harrisburg, he had to feed his ego and play the rubes with "This set a new record for this arena" - pulled out directly in suppository form. Other than HIM, NOBODY CARES, except it is an indication of his weak grasp of reality and how EVERYTHING has to be about HIM and feeding his ego - which is nearly as big as his gluteus maximus.

He is an immature, spoiled rich kid. Yes, he's old, but he's still immature. There are snarky high school cheerleaders that tweet more maturely than our so-called president.

 

Kinda reminds one of the last jackass that was in the WH doesn't it?

 

No, it doesn't.

 

Why don't they take their kids with them?

 

What nice hysterical rant!

 

Sure does. Obama referred to himself more than any President.