Who cares what "The Bible(s) say unless you are a Christian and then you just make it say whatever you want anyway?
The science isn't settled on sentience. Abortions are as whimsical and casual as the intercourse that led to the pregnancy in the first place.
The science isn't settled. There are other options in lieu of abortion, like adoption. There's also the "morning after pill" as an option in lieu of abortion.
But, of course, laws are based on morals, which are objective being based on logic and reason, instead of emotion.
All forms of Slavery are immoral and repugnant. There's no way to ever justify Slavery. Benevolent beings abolish Slavery, rather than codifying it like Jesus and other gods of various religions did. If Jesus was morally superior to me, then he would have instructed the Israelites to never own slaves, and to champion the cause of freedom for those who were enslaved..
Well, you'd be wrong about that. People deserve to know the Truth. I'm a Caucasian Heterosexual Male, with low income, so, no, I wouldn't be allowed to adopt. Adoption is better than being neglected or physically or psychologically abused at the hands of their biological parent(s). If most women aren't that stupid, then there wouldn't be any need for abortions in the first place. Don't women know how to keep their panties on? That's right and not only are the "Homeless" not viable, they are unwanted.
No, laws are not based on morals since morals vary from person to person...some people's "morals" are not based on logic or reason...
No, I'm not , morals vary from person to person so are not used as a basis for laws... Ya, the real truth, not your 'truth". Excuses, excuses, excuses...... That has no bearing on whether a woman should give up her kid for adoption or abort it... Here it is , the misogyny squeaking out slowly as your comments are mashed underfoot....it always happens... So you haven't learned what "viable " means despite providing a definition yourself!!!!
More misogynistic demeaning of women....most women do not see abortion as whimsy or take it casually....you'll be glad to know you're right on schedule as to the dissolving of any pretense at honest debate as the misogyny starts to become apparent.....
Pain is not felt until the 3rd trimester. If pain isn't felt until then, then the fetus is not sentient until then, IMO. First off, this has nothing to do with my question, which was is it legal or illegal to put your dog down? Second, the MAP is not intended to be used after every sex act and would be way too expensive to use it that way. Third, adoption is not a pregnancy option, it's a parenting option. Only around 1% of unmarried women who have a child place it for adoption. Many women are not willing to go through gestation and childbirth if they are not going to keep the child. Myself, I am against adoption so would never place a child.
How is murdering a unborn child the ultimate act of love? I bet if you let that child live he/she would disagree with you. If you don't want an abortion then have safe sex but if you have sex and get pregnant than it is your responsibility to have that child. Murdering the baby because you messed up and don't want it is wrong. You would not be arguing with us right now if your parents decided to have an abortion with you and I bet your happy your alive and breathing. Every child should have that special gift called life. We are not God. We don't get to decide who dies and who lives. Like others has said it's disgusting and it's murder.
Let's look at what the bible says about abortions: Ron failed to include these versus in his OP. I think this clearly says in the bible abortion is wrong and it is murder.
So, as usual, the BUYBULL is filled with contradictions and could be argued over forever with nothing resolved......good thing it isn't used to make laws...
First : Use the big people's terminology and accept facts...there is no child involved in abortion and it is not murder....if you go all pouty and insist you're right in face of FACTS and LAWS and SCIENCE that say you're wrong why should anyone believe a word you say? Now , using grown up terms, yes, it is an act of love to terminate a deformed fetus or a fetus that will never have a normal life. YOU bet that "child" would disagree with you? WHY? HOW could you possibly know what something that can't think thinks??? Want to explain that? And if you're one of those people who insist seriously damaged kids are really happy, "" see them smile , see them dance, they're entertaining, isn't it heart warming, it makes The Royal ME feel good so it's OK if they have a crappy life" ....then you are only thinking of yourself and will NEVER understand how someone can abort them and save them from a life of pain... Good advice.......but not a law.... SAYS WHO ? Who are you to determine what is or isn't responsible ? ...to quote YOU ""We are not God"" Yes, but no baby is murdered in abortion, there is no baby in abortion and abortion is legal so it isn't murder and if you can't use the grown up's English than you lose credibility. And just because YOU think it's wrong doesn't make it wrong ...to quote YOU ""We are not God"" That is the silliest , most totally illogical claptrap that Anti-Choicers trot out on a regular and quite boring, basis.... Uh, how to explain the obvious to the reluctant..uhhh.see, if a person never existed they don't know that they never existed... . "Children" do have life. Life is not a special gift. DO try to remember that !!!!! "WE" DO, frequently..... Then don't have an abortion but you are not god so don't try make it illegal for others ......................take care of your own responsibilities and allow others to do the same...
Read my previous post. The words translated into English as "slavery" are not always accurate. Many situations in the ancient world which were translated as "slavery" in English were not actually slavery as a Westerner sees it. For example, a person could decide to become a servant in a household, that person is literally a member of that house, they are treated as a member, provided food and shelter and care just as all family members receive, they are paid wages. That is not slavery, it is not involuntary, yet that condition was translated as "slavery". Jesus did champion the cause of freedom. Read the Bible.
There is nothing there about a woman terminating her pregnancy, and the Bible is only relevant to it's adherents. BTW, abortion is not murder.
Pain and sentience are two different things entirely. Yes, it is an option and obviously one you refuse to consider.
Nothing misogynistic about it. People who promote abortions are the real misogynists here: Previous research indicates that abortion increases risk for experiencing difficulties maintaining committed relationships, sexual dysfunction, and psychological problems. Abortion and the sexual lives of men and women: Is casual sexual behavior more appealing and more common after abortion? (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/public...more_appealing_and_more_common_after_abortion
If you are pro choice and you believe that abortion isn't the killing of a child then you are right. If what is being removed from the womb in your eyes in not human then your argument makes sense. If the fetus is not human then it's just the same as a woman having her tonsils removed or a tumor cyst etc. There's no point in having a conversation or debate between pro life pro choice people if this belief is held and the person can't get beyond that many disagree and have another view. If anyone is actually interested in having open dialogue on this topic with a pro lifer acknowledge the other sides beliefs.if anyone is willing to say okay I don't agree with you that it's a baby but l am willing to keep in mind that you do believe this. Let's talk Everything about this topic doesn't need to be a competition/ battle/ attack.
The question is- what is the purpose of laws? Is murder illegal because its wrong, or because it has a destabilizing effect on society? I like to think its the latter. I hope I dont need to go into the innevitable problems that trying to legislate morality creates. Abortion may be (and is, imo) callous, lazy, mean, decadent, evil and in all liklihood the ultimate demonic mass-sacrificial ritual being propagated from the dark corners of the establishment. Its an abhoration, a festering blight on our society. Its more than murder. It is the ultimate dessicration of humanity. But it does not threaten social order. As wrong as it is, its not a destabilizing threat. As such, it should remain legal. It should be fought from the position of free market and free expression. Boycott those that support it. Protest it. Encourage and even lobby for education against it and for alternatives. But making it illegal is nothing more than legislating morality, and I dont want to give the people who think abortion is good the power to legislate morality. That is the path to a theocracy, with the state playing the part of god.
