Trump lashes out again at London mayor

Who cares what the mayor of London wants? Pretty sure he doesn't make the decisions for England anyhow. Mayors are, for the most part, just figureheads.

 

Nor did you live in germany for 20 years, so that means you cannot comment on it either

 

As far as TRANSLATIONS go, the Shakir or Picktal (sp?) versions seem reasonably easy to read.
Keep in mind that when scholars pipe in it can sway you to not take it as written, to not judge for yourself, to just accept the scholar's viewpoint because "well, he's a scholar and I'm not". Have the confidence that you are smart enough to read it and take it as written, as the writer intended - the writer didn't say "well, I'm so stupid that they won't understand what I'm trying to say, so I sure hope that a scholar can clarify what I'm trying to convey here." The Qur'an is claimed to have a copy up in Paradise, so it's "from" Allah himself.

Remember, love Muslims, but question Islam. Also remember that there are good things in the Quran, such as zakat, too. But like Mein Kampf, no amount of good stuff can every fully make up for the REALLY BAD stuff.

 

Holy crap, I never thought about that! I'd better go back and ASAP delete any post on this forum that I ever dared to make a (gasp!) judgment against Hitler! I guess Margot really knows what she's talking about!

 

US law is based upon UK law, some of which was imported from elsewhere. Shocking what a knowledge of history can provide....Code of Hammurabi, anyone? How about the Magna Carta?

Speak for yourself, rookie.

I have a legal background, so give it a rest, sonny.

Once the courts establish that islam is not a religion, but a broad cult, it can then be outlawed. The items I listed above would lead to that scenario.

For further reading:

http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/01/five-reasons-why-islam-is-a-cult/

http://www.icsahome.com

5. Islam matches the “Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups” according to the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA).

Here are some of these characteristics, according to the ICSA:

• The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
• Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
• Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
• The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry — or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
• The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar — or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
• The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
• The leader is not accountable to any authorities.
• The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
• The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
• Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
• The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
• Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
• Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
• The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

Communist Control Act of 1954
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by President Dwight Eisenhoweron 24 August 1954, which outlaws the Communist Party of the United States and criminalizes membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defines evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.[1]

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There's your legal precedents, kid. Read up.

 

Hey, if it's "from god" so you don't need scholars - just take god at his word.
Scholars?? We don't need no stinking scholars!

 

True but they could also be a spy that could aid enemies as to when and where to place bombs at given times when people are congregated for different events as well right?

 

Well, don't say I didn't warn you.

Well, how is that going for you? Have any courts determined that Islam isn't a religion, yet?

Wow, damning stuff.

Except, you know, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue.

So...you're really making this up. There is no actual legal foundation for what you're saying. You haven't shown any actual legal reason why Islam would be exempt from legislation protecting religious freedom.

Whether or not it could be construed to be a cult is irrelevant, unless you can prove that the terms are mutually exclusive, and that Islam legally is defined by court precedent as one or the other.

*scratches head* Soooo...muslims are communists?

Besides, when was the last time that act was actually invoked in court? I do believe there exists a communist party in the US, and the government doesn't seem to actually do anything about it.

 

Well at least you got us on terrorist attacks.

 

That's what ISIS wants, and that's exactly what they're gonna get because the politicians over there are failures. "Forget about how things used to be. Please, risk your lives so Mohamedins won't get offended."

 

Not yet, because it hasn't been tested in court yet.

Of course it doesn't to those with no clue of such things.

Which occurred with communism, and therefore can be applied to islam or any other cult.

Strawman nonsense.

Who said it was? You asked for legal precedents for the banning of doctrines/cults, and I presented 3 of them. Now that you got called out, all you can offer is whining and strawmen, not surprising.

 

Tell me o wise one what does this mean? "Khan talked about the virtues of immigration and multiculturalism, explaining that some sacrifices had to be made.
What is a sacrifice, giving up your apartment or job? In the context of terror attacks, which he was speaking he also said "Terror attacks are “part and parcel of life in a big city". You can't defend the mayor honestly, the sacrifice he was talking about was blood and you know it.

 

While I disagree with you on almost every level, I do recognize and appreciate the most direct response I could hope for.

Thanks.

 

My memory may be off but I think Margot posted that he was not a woman. I could be wrong. Either way I do know that Margot is an informed poster that I occasionally agree with.

 

Point taken!

 

Yes, the two most prominent mass-shootings were carried out by white males with legally-held firearms. It was the Dunblane and Hungerford massacres which led to our recent crack down on firearms. The US seems absolutely fine with mass shootings.
If you think blasting away in a crowded club is a good idea, you're delusional.

 

We were never 'armed' in the first place, so how could we be disarmed? We, like every other civilized western nation, leave the gun fetish to you.

 

Your evidence for this? That's right, you don't have any, as usual.

 

If I was the London mayor, I would feel insulted and I would never talk to Trump again.

 

So why are you discussing an incident in Britain? Do you live here? Bugger off yourself!

 

Will pick up those translations and start wading through them.

 

Trump didn't tell the truth. He misquoted the mayor.

 

That's interesting.

 

Ever heard of the IRA?