Trump: I'm '100 percent' willing to testify under oath

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A sticky as a perfect example of TDS.
     
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    Hmm, I don't watch any cable news but do listen to MSNBC and FOX in my car. Honestly haven't heard that guy make those arguments on such a left leaning channel.

    So far MSNBC has been incredibly one sided even with the opinions going on.
     
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    When you say: "You can tell yourself that but the rest of us know betteer"

    You must mean the few trump supporters. Those people who can't think for themselves and can't even spell.
     
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    You can't say that Trump is truthful though can you? Yes all politicians lie and Obama had plenty, but the only person that was anywhere near Trump was Clinton which was hilarious.

    Although I do agree that the Dems are over sensationalizing everything like crazy and if they don't impeach him soon, are going to lose a HUGE amount of momentum. Boy who cried wolf syndrome is already happening. People are tired of the viciousness of something that continues to go on with even less than proof, there is actually counter points proving otherwise.

    If they don't hit a home run here I think its going to hurt them long term.
     
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    Such messages tend to be posted by people who, if they tell of their personal life, tell of how much misery and failures they have suffered, and overall generally have had very unhappy lives. You have posted such messages about yourself on the forum if I remember correctly. Do I? I think it was on a thread asking if you would want to live your life again. If not and if I confuse you with another member, people accept my apology.

    People who are miserable and who see their lives as failed, as life being unfair to them, of economic and/or relationship failure, tend to hate people who have been successful in such matters. It is very rare I read of someone who is truly successful (except talking heads on TV who are actors or politicians of economic motives) with such blind juvenile name-calling hatred rants against Trump - and against everyone else who is successful. Yes, that member hates anyone and everyone who is financially successful. I have no doubt that member's life is one of financial failures. They vehemently argue that it is people of failed lives like themselves who should be heading government, that the leaders of government should be fellow losers and failures.

    Long ago I was a union steward in a union packinghouse and often heard employees who were members explaining how stupid management was and how they would be making better decisions. I kept my mouth shut to not make the obvious reply. If they are so much wiser, why are they who are covered in blood working on the graveyard shift of a packinghouse? They also would rant against the union, and how they would run the union so much better too. If so, why was I - an employee of just a couple months - the union steward and not one of them with as much as 20 years seniority? Some losers can't not stand winners, it is human nature. And as I advanced out of and beyond that employment quickly, I'm guessing most of them are still there - and still ranting their hatred of successful people claiming they are superior.

    Given how much superiority you seem to claim yourself to be in messages, why aren't we reading of your high status, authority, and numerous successes (of any kind)?

    While any number of criticisms of Trump can be made, the fact is that he clearly is an extremely intelligent person given his life resume. Not just in gaining economic wealth, but in pursuing personal goals, professional goals and political goals. He was not the top rated TV show because he is stupid. He did not defy all experts and all logic to become president because he is a loser or stupid. The same is true for President Obama, President Bush(s) and President Clinton. There is no disputing they are each brilliant and successful people. They are "winners" - and predictable many losers will hate them for it. Hate their policies if you wish, but there is no disputing their intelligence or successes.

    Who seems most ignorant on the forum are those members who see some propaganda piece on the corporate MSM - which are little more than well disguised advertising and PR outlets of mega corporations and the global super rich - who rush to the forum ranting and sobbing while reciting that propaganda. Comey immediately stated that almost everything presented on the MSM about Russia from "unnamed sources" about the F.B.I. and intelligence community were 100% false. It is those members on both sides, but far more often on the Democrat side, who rush to the forum as if some revelation from their God to recite that corporate or partisan propaganda on the forum. Doing so reveals themselves to be extremely submissive beta submissive partisan cult-leaders worshiping particularly weak personalities. When I read such messages, and such as your juvenile name calling, I am only reading a confession of ignorance and personality weaknesses in my opinion.

    I also am impressed by the ongoing belief of the Democratic Party and so many Democratic members on the forum that they can win elections by attacking and insulting as many voters as they can possibly think of. Just on this forum have been presented levels of hatred against so many categories, groups and demographics of American voters that rationally over 80% of voters should vote straight Republican. The theory that Democrats can force people to vote Democratic if only they call voters enough insults and make enough threats is a well proven losing tactic.
     
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    Woah there, little personal ....

    I do hate that the Democrats seem to be leading the new trend of flat out hating each other
     
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    My response is that your message is a divert from the actual topics to general personality attacks.

    Only a fool judges politicians by their promises and words. It is only their policy actions of real effects that matters. Their words are worthless, but it is not just politicians. Moreso we are learning it is the bureaucrats, administrators, and unnamed people in the "intelligence community" - and most of all in the MSM - who are liars. Who most lied, in my opinion, was team Obama. To know the truth, probably 90% of the time you could be certain it was exactly the opposite of what he or his people said. This all adds up to nothing.

    The low ratings of Trump among people is not as low as it went for President Clinton and, of itself, doesn't matter. People don't matter, only voters who vote and how they vote on election day matter. Trump went lower than this during the election season, even among voters, but he won. Plus we have increasing reasons to question the legitimacy of any polling.

    I do believe people are tired of the rabid, non-stop attacks against Trump and a majority of people no longer believe the MSM. Most do understand they are out to get Trump anyway they can for upsetting their candy store and their total power. Somewhere along the line, the Democratic Party, their talking heads and their minions decided that they will call as many people as many names as possible. They incessantly attack anyone who doesn't have a college degree (while the Democratic Party is dependent upon the two most low educated demographic groups - blacks and Latinos). To call everyone who doesn't like gay marriage a bigot. To attack all rural people as rednecks. All white men as racists. Anyone who does not support open borders a bigot and racist. Anyone who utters a word against the practices of Islam to be an Islamophobe. Anyone with over 2% body fat is a fat pig. To hate all wealthy people. Openly hate business owners. Rabid, vindictive, unrestrained hatred - often combined with threats.

    It isn't just against Trump, but overall against over 80% of Americans and voters.

    What few realize concerning the MSM, is that if you add up the viewership of CNN, MSMBC and FOX - the three 24/7 news networks - less than 6% of voters ever watch ANY of them. Ever. Most people do not read newspapers anymore either. Media news and newspapers were all consumed by the global super rich and international corporations over the last couple of decades. The Internet killed their being financially profitable. Instead, the MSM became corporate PR outlets for propaganda - meaning promoting foreign sweatshops, endless profitable militarism, endlessly more low skills immigrants to keep domestic wages down, and the government to endlessly have more welfare to prevent revolution against all this.

    The unfortunate question now, and one now being underlined, is do we-the-people even matter anymore? Truth has become all but irrelevant. These hearings are showing the unlimited degree of the government and the corporate MSM to manipulate public opinion by any lies and direction they want to go. While people are tired of this, yes, if truth has been erased then what is the alternative? If there is no legitimacy in government or the media and it all just manipulations, diversions and propaganda, how is there any options within that void left for we-the-people? To pick our favorite impotent lying politician because really it is the unelected "deep state" and corporate MSM who has all the real power? That is what President Trump is up against - as is everyone (whether left or right).

    If all the media and press are just propaganda liars - and the government has exempted itself from law also for the purpose of propaganda, diversion and manipulation - what's left? People voted for Trump hoping he was the alternative - and it is clear all the powers that be, including so-called Republicans and conservatives - want him at least fully contained, if not outright destroyed because of it.
     
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    MSNBC isn't actual news though. They only have commentary, from what I can tell. At least, that is in the prime time line up. /shrug

    I seriously doubt MSNBC would expose their viewers to what Dershowitz is saying about this. They have the most bias of any network, on either side, by a GIGANTIC margin. I mean, holy **** watch Lawrence O'Donnel and tell me that is unbiased. WOW, that guy...
     
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    [QUOTE="Jonsa, post: 1067599633, member: 55255"

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    I don't care how many jailhouse lawyers agree with my opinion. All or none is irrelevant. None of us are going to be adjudicating the issue. I'll leave it to the courts.

    pssst. keep ignorning all those "classified setting" answers during the senate hearings. You honestly think the hold the answers to trump's complete vindication and will prove this whole "russia thing" was merely a hoax perpetrated by angry loser liberals?

    Can't argue with crazy, stupid, faith and entrenched partisanism. Facts and reality just keep bouncing off their foreheads.[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure the NSA is willing to testify to anything that will hurt their enemy the swamp drainer.

    But the word of liars is not good enough
     
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    You are complaining about style

    But on substance trump is correct

    The euro's are importing trouble with so many muslims and the day may come when islamic ruled france or germany will turn their guns on their former friends.

    Obama kissed the euro's ass for 8 years and got nothing in return

    Trump won't do that
     
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    More than a few my angry friend
     
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    Like it or not, style is extremely important
     
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    I don't watch cable news for "news" I more or less want to hear what each side is trying to preach
     
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    I like trumps style better than the snooty euro's who are pissed off at him
     
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    You are going to need at least 48% of the voters to agree with you come 2020. I think a bit softer approach in some areas would sure as hell help
     
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    Oh God

    One of those tiresome holier-than-thou fence sitters
     
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    2020 is a long way off

    The best re-election plan is to keep your promises to the people who voted for you and let the rest go to hell
     
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    Oh god One of those ridiculous hyper partisans
     
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    I rather doubt if you see things the republicans way very often if at all

    Which makes you non partisan in name only
     
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    That kind of non-thinking, and shytty attitude is one of the things that motivates sane, patriotic, Americans to work like hell to get rid of the Orange Maggot.
     
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    Be my guest.

    More sane, more partiotic Americans will be working to re-elect trump at the same time
     
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    You mean the swamp replacer or did you not happen to notice the couple of handfuls of ethics waivers he's handed out to his people. Or maybe you didn't know he used a technicality to get around NEPOTISM laws. Or perhaps refusing to honor his promise to disclose his taxes and personal financial obligations.

    Drain the swamp.... Seems the swamp level is creeping up not down.
     
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    I suppose that Comey's testimony was a sort of Rorschach test: Those who already hated President Trump thought that it did great harm to the man, whereas those (such as Sean Hannity) who believe that he can do no wrong saw the testimony as vindication of him.

    A middle view is that what he did was in no way illegal--but it was improper.

    That is the view to which I ascribe.

    After all, the president's words--that he would "hope" that Comey could just "let this [investigation] go"--are ambiguous (perhaps intentionally so?); they could be taken as a directive, while giving the president plausible deniability in this regard.

    But again, too many people will simply choose up teams--the Pro-Trump Team and the Anti-Trump Team--rather than viewing the matter analytically...
     
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    It's sad that trump and his supporters seem to care ONLY about themselves and what they want. Not about their fellow citizens or the good of America as a whole.

    No wonder respect for them is dropping by the day. These are not the kinds of citizens the U.S. needs, especially at this critical time.
     
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    I always love when hyper partisans on both sides call me a Democratic and Republican shill all in the same day. It definitely means I am doing the right thing.

    God forbid I be one of those political robots of a shill that try to berate people for having their own political set of beliefs.

    Sad really
     
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