MOD WARNING<<<Dismantle multiculturalism?

Yeah, I know. Just like I said earlier; governments ruin everything. Governments go to war and force people to flee their homes and then other governments open their borders and force their citizens to accept aliens and then the same government tries solving the problems by implementing useless integration policies.

 

^This. None of it makes anyone less of an American than the other.

 

Makes sense: they go to war, create a refugee crisis so they may as well do some form of compensation for screwing things up since said country is still in the middle of a crisis and returning pretty much means death.

 

Google it, if you don't know what multiculturalism is. Plus, there were given enough definitions in this thread already.

Look at Japan, for example. They are pretty homogeneous nation (i.e. non multicultural) and the crime rate is close to 0.

 

There is an interesting dynamic involved in this conversation. It is defined by one's adventures outside of the world or home they know.

The visual of the "melting pot" simply relies on the willingness of those who come to this country to actually melt. As in, if you come here, you must be willing to assimilate into the society that you've migrated into. Adding cultural complexity isn't the issue here. No one really cares about the little stuff like types of food, or clothing, or frankly any of the superficial traits that seem so deeply inherent in the divisive conversation of identity politics our leftist friends seem to constantly wallow in these days.

The real part of our nation is the idea. The attribution of worth granted by our concept of humanity. This has a cost for those who come here though. They must adopt the idea. It isn't ok that their superficial culture can compete with the idea. And more, the purpose of cultural diversity cannot become the erosion of the idea. The "we hold these truths to be self evident" cannot ever be the thing that becomes challenged as part of the inclusion of diversity. Having perspective is fine. But believing that ones perspective becomes the substitute for the original idea is what we must guard ourselves against.

 

hoosier88 said: ↑
One, who is the we above?

From the US Constitution? Good, but We the people was sharply limited then. Basically is was Christian (of the right flavor) Caucasian Anglo-Saxon men of property. Not women, not indentured servants nor slaves, not Blacks, not Native People & a long list of others not included. The text is famous because it sets the foundation for the US government & country we know today - but the franchise has been extended & extended again & again in the interceding 200+ years.

& getting back to the point - the media fall over themselves to cover every terrorist or even suspected terrorist event in the US - I'm not aware that we're suffering in the US from a terrorist event every day. What I do notice is that there seems to be a lot of attention paid to terrorist attacks in Europe, & especially in the UK.

Given that the US MSM seem to be doing their best to become Show Business writ large, I can understand their veiled enthusiasm for free events with blood & explosions & tragedy - people to interview, endless regurgitations of why do people do this, what can they be thinking, are their tactics effective, is Islam (often the case) good/bad/indifferent & on & on. None of which seems to get us anywhere in terms of understanding the base issues, nor in formulating an effective response that might mitigate or even solve the underlying problems.

& so I look elsewhere for cause & effect - the Revolution in this case will definitely not be televised.

 

I haven't a clue.

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/images/research/txtspeeches/672.pdf

 

That I agree with. IMHO, that version of mul

The pot isn't melting as well as it used to. However, the examples of the melting pot are the Pennsyvlania Germans, the Poles, the Italians, the Irish, etc. Their cultures have all become part of the wider American culture. We used to think it was a good thing. Now we have the far right and the far left disagreeing with the idea of the melting pot. Both of them are wrong. The melting pot made us a successful entrepeneurial country.

 

Spin to your heart's content. You are not remotely interested in "a good debate." You simply want to preponderate, and demonstrate how much smarter you are than greedy, racist, polluting "right-wingers."

 

Japan's suicide rate is higher than our combined murder and suicide rates. Not exactly a culture I want to live in, certainly not one that I want to take as a model.

 

Funny, I am a right-winger. I don't argue without definitions. Definitions make it so we argue the same things.

 

Well, your "multiculti"-project was always highly racist and later heavily regulated. At first it was only open to White Europeans and later only for foreigners of special competence.

 

You should give this ideology a look if you ever manage to break from Christianity, which is actually one of the reasons we have this situation to begin with:

https://thuleanperspective.com/2013/07/31/why-odalism/

(((It's a secret))).

 

Exactly right.

 

Depends on what you mean by America. If you mean the New World, no, that was originally empty of humans. Then the Native Peoples walked in, or maybe paddled. Then the Norse (briefly), Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch & finally UK (Anglo-Saxons by then, I think). Others too, of course, this is just the highlights.

If you mean the British colonies in what became the US, that's different. But even there, the French were here, the Dutch, & the Spanish - although the latter in the far South & Southwest from Florida through California. One of the big problems for the British colonies (in the US to come) was lack of labor. The Native People died in large numbers of European diseases, & thus there was land to claim. The UK & the colonies & later the US had to welcome more people in - they tried enslaving the Native People, who simply died or fled. Indentured servants were another try - but once they learned English (if they didn't already know it) & a trade, they could also flee. Black slaves were the alternative, but that caused a different set of problems, leading to the Civil War.

The US is multicultural will it or no - because we absorbed the Native Peoples, Spanish, French, German, Irish, Italian & on & on peoples who came here. Mostly they wanted to work or live free of their entanglements back home & so were happy to adopt US culture. Speed of acculturation depended on why precisely the first generation came to the colonies & then the US.

 

The melting pot idea is destructive as well, though. It blends cultures and people together into a mixture, instead of preserving the unique differences of each.

 

Pretty soon the question will be "why would anyone want to be an American" to begin with. This country isn't going to be yours for much longer. It'll belong to someone else.

 

That's certainly the talking point. Too bad it isn't supported by history. The strongest societies were homogenous.

 

Yah, Imperial Japan & Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy all said the same thing, & accused us (the West & specifically the UK) of being a mere nation of shopkeepers. It didn't seem to occur to them that the US was a lot more than that - we did do a lot of trade back then too - but they must have missed that we had been rising as a World power since 1898 CE @ least. No doubt the survivors - the few & far between of draft age then - never forgot.

 

Diversity & multiculturalism by themselves aren't sufficient to make a country successful, as the examples show. In 2017 CE, it takes a good economy, a stable political establishment, education, health, food & water & energy, good government, adequate military & on & on.

 

My ideas of national success are low crime, high standard of living, a capitalist economy, a modern, innovative, and harmonious culture, and a lack of civil unrest.

 

Yes, you get corn, potatoes, chocolate, avocados, Christianity, paper, steel, glass, telescopes, microscopes, glasses, gunpowder, kites, porcelain, silk, agriculture, government, infrastructure, history, letters, writing ...

 

...Racism, rape, hostility, nationalism, segregation, crime, distrust...

 

Yah - or hai!, if you prefer. Their crime rate is low - & as a nation, they're in serious danger of disappearing from history. Rambunctious & disorderly & crude & rude as the US can be, I prefer a going concern - even if made up of the World's fanatics & malcontents & cranks (who else leaves behind a comfortable hearth & home?) - to a dying concern, no matter how near Nirvana they may be (or maybe that's why they're in the process of quitting this vale of tears? Good question, ne?)

 

Historically World Order evolutions resulted from wars or revolutions.