Why Islam's Shariah law is the biggest threat to American safety.

I do not have the technical knowledge to go into that, but IMO if Islam wishes to be seen as a creditable religion long term they have some serious work to do on their texts--and it will involve finally criticizing their fallen spiritual leader.

 

NEWSFLASH Islam is as credible a religion as Christianity or any other. Are you suggesting that the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world are not credible?

What serious work on their scriptures do you think the should engage in? Do christians criticize Jesus? Do buddhists criticize Siddartha? And btw Mo' wasn't a "fallen leader", he was a prophet of Allah (just like Isa) and according to the vast majority of muslims the last one to grace the planet, and he died of old age.

All religions are in dire need of a good house cleaning. Maybe one day even Christians will start actually behaving like they are supposed to, just like you urge muslims to do so.

 

Agreed ... what the Islam is missing is something what we had in the past and gave us the secularization ... the reformation done by the Protestants as Luther or Calvin. This is really necessary ... but therefor we should not back at all costs all the time right these regimes in ME who hindered this to safe their power, because they are our friends ... like Saudi Arabia for example!

 

It's clear Muslims do not really have to behave, as long as they attribute their atrocities to their moon god Lucifer, to which Mohammed succumbed at some point in his Medina phase. It's interesting that Islam actually goes backward from Mecca to Medina whereas Christianity went forward from the Old to the New Testament.

No...IMO Islam is not creditable because it was promulgated by a failed prophet, Mohammed. Despite the sincere and urgent work of the Sufis especially, but also many others, the truly fatal flaw of the religion is the taint of the apostate Mohammed, himself. There is a sound reason that it is forbidden to criticize Mohammed, and it is that he himself was an apostate of his own early, purer teachings. If Islam as a whole were able to realize this and eliminate Mohammed's later teachings it could finally reform, but those within its bounds who grasp for worldly power will never let this happen, as they, too, are in league with the devil Lucifer, the moon god of the unconscious and feral portion of man's nature.

 

IN league with lucifer and the moon god? Okay then. thanks for the demonstration of the extent of your grasp of Islam.

 

A couple of corrections to your post...9/11 was a false flag inside job to further the globalist agenda....
Judeo/Christian values? Read the Jewish talmud holy book and see what they think of Gentiles (all non Jewish)...seems they think of gentiles as animals/cattle and can be treated as such...while you are at it, see what they think of Jesus the mainstay of the Christian faith? Not very flattering. google brother nathaniel, satanic verse of the talmud..

 

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Look into its origins.

 

I am well aware of the origins of Islam and have even researched what is known of the pagan religions inhabiting mecca before ol' mo.

Gotta luv your comingling of history and religious propaganda. You actually think "Lucifer" exists as a sapient malevolent supernatural force?

 

It's a psychological archetype representing the irresponsible and unregulated human unconscious.

 

More anthropomorphism to fill in the gaps. Where would we all be without such symbolism.

 

That's right...followers of Islam only believe the thing-in-itself and abhor symbols representing creation...but then choose to follow thousands of precepts uttered by an early-day warlord/terrorist claiming to speak for the unutterable...and see no incongruity between these two positions.

The early historical origins of the religion suggest a moon god--and the moon represents the unconscious. If we were cats, it might represent the conscious, but we are not.

In any case, it is blasphemy to call the truths of nature anthropomorphic.

 

MGB Roadster, what I see in your OP is a proposal for religious war. You pit your religion and that of a few Founders against Islam. How about no religion in government? What a radical idea.

 

What you don't seem to get is that the eventual goal of Islam is to BE the government. That's the way Mohammed fashioned it.

 

So? Is there some weakness or reason that we have to succumb to their wishes? Just be strict about the separation of church and state for starters.

 

Try to learn from the experience of the frog in the pan of water being gradually heated up until it boils...

Some things are best nipped in the bud. Unless you want to cause a great deal of suffeing in the future.

What is better--to "fix" the cat or to kill ten kittens?

 

Frog in the pot? You mean like the way fascism is developing? You mean like the way all the organizations and political parties of the working class have been undermined and destroyed?

I'm very happy to nip sharia in the bud, but show me some sharia actually making its way into our laws.

 

The first step Islam uses is loading up a country with Muslims and encouraging them to become politically powerful. That is already clearly happening.

 

You sound like you're on top of this. Can you tell me how many Muslims we have in congress (both houses)?

I'm not worried. As long as the S.C. upholds the separation of church and state and we keep religion out of every corner of government, we're good.

 

Here's a link that is trying to keep track, but it is out of date.

http://muslimobserver.com/elected-muslim-politicians-federal-and-state-levels/

Here's another, analyzing the power of the "Muslim vote".

http://www.allied-media.com/AM/poltical.htm

 

Threats real and present

People can say whatever it is they please about perceived threats to America and the American Way, I focus on real threats such as the push for democracy visa vie secularism and the like. When these United States was established, it was not a secular society, not in the least. There is freedom to practice whatever religion you please, but this country was never secular and only became such when hedonism which has led to lawlessness took hold. So what is the greater threat to Freedom, secularism or having a religion? As a matter of fact, there was not religious freedom, as is known today because Catholicism was not accepted, nor was widespread Judaeo-Christendom. After these took over, now there is in these United States of [North] America the practice of that which was prohibited culturally and by law. So have your fun at attempted diversion from that which is a clear and present danger. Surely, those who come from the East are not what they appear to be, and I will leave that where it is at. Just know that the Compass and the Square reviled the insanity that is accepted today.

 

There's mp sharia law in the US. Who are these hysterical liars?

 

Here are some quotes from Thomas Jefferson about politics and religion. If he isn't advocating secularism, I don't know what he is advocating.

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 26 January 1799


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
\-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


And this is from a treaty that was signed in 1796:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
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This is why we have the First Amendment and must fight vehemently to protect it from ALL those that seek to force their religion on our government.

 

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/america-sharia-law.html

 

Jefferson was simply advocating REASON OVER RELIGION, just as Thomas Paine, George Washington and many others of the era did and as I advocate. As I have sated beforehand, I am NOT a religious Man, I am a MORAL Man. Religion and morality are two separate states of thinking and motivation. The problem with this and other nations of the current history cycle is that REASON is trumped by emotionalism, which is a direct attack on what the books given over the past four thousand years, advocate.