Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

No they could afford it they belonged to a bonkers religion. Cps was involved, we even offered to donate part of our paychecks.

 

After three weeks though. A broken bone probably has to be rebroken to be be reset after that long a time since it only takes about 6 weeks to heal.

 

That injury had the potential to be life-threatening.

What I learned in Police Academy business at such a difficult thing to prosecute agencies won't touch it.

 

No, I'm not confused, just want to get your stance straight.
To you, it's not genetic, it's not a choice, it's a learned behavior. That's a position that would justify your acceptance of the "therapy".
The problem with your position is that the "therapy" your backing has no backing at all with the medical community so your stance is not very firm.

 

she bases her stance on her observation of cultures that view homosexuality negatively as a form of political correctness.

She apparently has no idea of the past in this country where just 15 years ago it was viewed very negatively.

She doesn't understand that the acceptance of it isn't political correctness. But the non acceptance is. Our culture started accepting it because we learned that it isn't just a choice or a learned behavior. We turned off our social conditioning.

 

so you target what you find offensive. Isn't that what you and other "enlightened" folks use as your argument against those who simply ask to prove that one is "born homosexual"? To accept one deviant sexual act but not another is the epitome of hypocrisy.

 

The longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is a normal and positive variation of human sexual orientation
Your opinion that homosexuality is a choice or psycological disorder has no basis in scientific thinking.

 

Wait......if one could prove that one is "born homosexual" you would no longer consider is a "deviant sexual act"? I doubt it.

 

No, i target what harms children.

Nobody cares if you choose to take offense.

So long as the "deviant sex act" doesn't harm children, or people I really don't care.

 

My position is that homosexuality is environmental, rather than choice or genetics.

 

She bases her position on decades of observation, supported by formal training. And she's well aware of changing attitudes (social conditioning). Not sure what that has to do with it.

 

We will have to agree to disagree then.
I will give you an example of what I have seen that makes me disregard your position. I grew up on LI, NY and Gary was 2 years younger than me (same as my brother) and lived across the street. There was never any doubt that Gary was......"different". While all the guys were playing sports he preferred to play dolls with the girls. His sister (2 yrs younger than him) was "normal". His mother was a housewife and his father was a WW2 Marine and a NY city fireman. No one ever picked on Gary (no one on our street) he was just Gary. As he got older there was no doubt that he was very effeminate in his behavior. He went to college and became a successful interior designer in NYC. His sister married a NYC fireman.
How could this not be genetic? How did his "environment" make him gay? Why wasn't his sister?

 

Through the prism of your own bias.

Formal training in what?

The only support I've ever seen you give for your hypothesis is that there are fewer people that identify as homosexual in cultures where it is taboo.

 

Everybody knows you're positing. I personally doubt it's based on any objective data. My position is that we don't know and speculation is just that.

 

environmental factors don't negate having ng been born homosexual. The womb is an environment. there is a theory that epigenetics can influence the fetus. That would be environmental.

I think you mean to say it's social.

 

No two children are ever parented the same. Not even twins.

 

Ok, social. Social environment, if you will.

 

There are those who say they do know, and subsequently act on it with a high rate of "success". Coincidence?

 

My bias was firmly in the other camp, initially. I absolutely believed (and wanted to believe) that it was genetic.

Formal training in medicine (and psych).

 

Wait....what? Explain how parenting would have one child be gay but not the other.
That is a truly weak defense.

 

It's still just a wild ass guess.

 

How do you measure the "success?"

Lots of mentally ill people think thru are cured. So no its not coincidence. It's a possibly delusional person's word.

 

So?

What is your education in behavioral sciences?

 

So present anything that links parenting to sexual orientation please?

 

I understand your aversion to this idea. It's a very common aversion in the west.

But once again, no two children are ever parented the same way. It's not actually possible to parent two children the same way, obviously. Not unless we're cyborgs.