Trump is terrified of the investigation into his relationship with Russia — and he should be

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good.

    Maybe he can discuss that in Paris with Macron?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Wrong on all counts again!

    Not a Dem and they will be back probably much sooner than you expect.
     
  3. garyd

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    Then how come he isn't already in jail.
     
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    No you provided a law you thoungt was applicable there is a difference. In your case actual proof said law was violated.
     
  5. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course he insisted that. Somehow, I'm not surprised… nor do I believe him.

    If that house was worth $100 Million dollars, then why was it torn down to sell off parcels of property, but not done for four years?

    If you don't believe the deal was shady, that's your prerogative.
     
  6. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Read the message that Ambassador Kislyak sent to Moscow. It contains all the evidence needed to convict Kushner and Flynn on that sedition statute.
     
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    Been there done that it isn't what you believe.
     
  8. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    In which case what is stopping you from proving that it doesn't?
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nope sorry you have to prove that it does, you are the one who assumed the roll of the prosecutor.
     
  10. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just did. Money doesn't launder itself. It requires an enabler, so the government put rules in place that prevent enabling. Trump's casino facilitated money laundering by not following the rules against money laundering and was fined massively- a settlement to which he agreed. Then several years later, they fined him and his casino again for the same thing. Either he is unable to learn very expensive lessons or he is complicit in enabling money laundering through his casino. One cost him money and the other is quite profitable, if illegal. Despite the high fine the first time, that the exact same rule was broken repeatedly again at the same casino and at another one isn't accidental.


    It's interesting that you are determined to defend a man that has been heavily fined more than once for enabling money laundering, insisting that he wasn't involved in money laundering. I'd suggest you Google Felix Sater and his relationship with Trump, but I doubt you would do it. It doesn't fit your narrative on money laundering.

    But, by all means, carry on. :salute:
     
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    Are you disputing that Kislyak stated that Kushner and Flynn met with him and asked him to set up a secret communications link using Russian Spy Apparatus?

    Because that is all the evidence needed to convict Kusher and Flynn.
     
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    All depends what was built on it four years later, the current property value at that particular time so on and so forth! The point I'm making is you are making hay about a 100 million dollar deal being laundered to keep it out of the hands of a wife that won 4.5 billion in a divorce settlement, like as if the percentage of the marital assets, including the acquisition of said property wasn't or later amended in the settlement? Irregardless of what you choose to see who exactly profited from the sale besides Trump, and that's clearly public information as you can plainly see! So the, there-there is just partisan nonsense brought to us by CNN and a healthy active imagination ;)
     
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    Nothing you posted proves any such thing, and you know it.

    You claimed each of these things, in this topic:

    - I thought the investigation would find money laundering, something Trump has done before
    - I have posted links in more than one thread on Trump's money laundering.
    - He ended up paying nearly half a million dollars in fines for the money laundering
    - Trump is responsible for 106 instances of money laundering
    - Trump, was indeed fined for money laundering- 106 counts in just the first year.
    - Breaking laws against money laundering is money laundering.
    - If you break money laundering laws, you are laundering money
    - The government issued the largest fine ever issued for money laundering
    - Trump had laundered money in his casinos before
    - Therefore Trump has history with money laundering.

    You are FULLY aware of the fact you cannot prove any of these claims - this is why you keep trying to move the goalposts to "facilitating" or "enabling" the laundering of money, and why I won't let you .

    Why do you choose to make claims you know you cannot prove?
     
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  14. Stevew

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    Aren't you going to take credit for dems downfall? Ah yes, the first step in the destruction of a party is when people deny ever being part of it. GOT IT. :)

    Steve
     
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    Do you understand how money laundering works? Do you realize there are two sides to it? One has dirty money. The other provides the means to clean it. There are different consequences for those sides. See if you can figure out which side Trump was, and what those consequences are. Then you'll answer your own question.
     
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    If you knew you had no meaningful response to his question, why didn't you just say so?
     
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    Rationalizing a purchase price of twice the value and attributing questions about to partisanship? Go right ahead.

    The property was not part of the divorce settlement in anything I have read, but the settlement is sealed, so maybe.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have a good day TOG 6.
     
  19. TOG 6

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    This is how you admit you're wrong, eh?
    I accept your concession of all points made.
     
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    Oh, come off it - you know by know that I tend to use your favorite sources. ;-)

    “Despite the low overall level of support for the move, Trump's approval rating was essentially unchanged from the last NBC/WSJ poll.” CNN, Poll: Comey's firing gets low approval; Trump's support unmoved,” By Eli Watkins, Mon May 15, 2017.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/14/politics/nbc-wsj-poll/
     
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    Tyvm! ;-)
     
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    See it just doesn't add up logically.

    And who made out in the so called partnership! Trump keeps his 41 mill and gives a mega billionaire back his 59 million? All this so his 4.5 billionaire wife is cheated out of percentage of God know what at this point :) Of course there is always the every popular "Maybe" that tantalize the mind of the left, but leaves most rational folks with that deer in the headlight look at the lack of substance!

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    Comrade Van Jones is an avowed communist who advocated the violent overthrow of the United States.

    In 2009 President Obama brought Comrade Jones into the Obama White House as his Green Winnie Czar.

    If you remember back in 2009 it was FNC Glen Beck who exposed all of the communist and other extreme radical leftist that were part of the Obama administration.

     
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    It was a pay off and a much needed money laundering venture at the time for the buyer. Trump likely did not care because at the time he was hurting for money plus he has a history of shady deals. End of 2008 was a tough time for him :).
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Deer in the headlights? lol

    Yeah, people just buy overpriced houses all the time…

    Of course, if Trump gave him back the overage, as you suggest, then he really didn't buy a $100MM house, but the paperwork looks like it. That's called something… I just can't think of the right word. Maybe you know it? Or if Trump kept the profits of nearly $60MM on one overpriced house, then the question arises of why would a smart businessman worth billions waste that kind of money and what was he expecting from that deal, other than a house he never set foot in?
     
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