Trump's "death sentence" Health Care Bill tanks again. When will...

him and his boy Mitch realize that it'll never pass. Mitch needs to go find a rocking chair and take a nap. They are both beating a . Not going to happen. Btw...where's the "wall" ?

 

People who voted for Trump, some being the most vulnerable when it comes to healthcare, are beginning to realize that Trump lied to them again, much like the wall courtesy of Mexico, America first as he dabbles in events throughout the globe, China a currency manipulator, tax reform, and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. Trump can't even get repeal of Obamacare done despite a Republican Party that has worked on that for seven years and now controls both houses of Congress. That is the height of futility and incompetence.

Back to the broken promise to his friends. Trump promised "Tonight, I am also calling on this Congress to repeal and replace Obamacare with reforms that expand choice, increase access, lower costs, and at the same time, provide better healthcare." Most observers knew that was an oxymoron. The government can't do all of that while lowering costs. That's impossible.

Of course, Trump's supporters will say private insurance companies, because of increased competition, will lower premiums and provide better health care. Yeah, right, when pigs fly. Of course, many of his fans may actually believe that lie. They believed the original lie and, for many of them, Trump can do no wrong.

The truth is both versions of Trumpcare is designed to lower costs by getting rid of essential health benefits such as emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, and prescription drugs to name just a few. That, according Trump and the GOP, is their idea of providing better healthcare.

Another truth is, the purpose of both healthcare versions, House and Senate, is to lower government costs and reduce the deficit, not provide better healthcare as Trump promised. The CBO says the government saves money by cutting some $772 billion in federal help for states to pay for Medicaid. That is a selling point for conservative Republicans, who can say they are getting government out of health care and saving money while doing it. I told you that was the purpose of Trumpcare. Republicans admit it.

The purpose of the healthcare bill, if it ever passes the Senate, is to save money, not provide healthcare. 22 million more people will lose their healthcare. Under the Senate's bill, by 2026, an estimated 49 million people would not have insurance; almost twice as much as under Obamacare.

Trump lied to his base. Nearly everyone knew that except the base itself. Among those mostly hurt by Trumpcare? His base.

 

I for one hope that the AHCA does not become law. I do hope that Obama Care stays in place just as it is. A great majority of people cannot afford a good plan under Obama Care and with deductible's being around $6500 per family member not many are getting any benefits out of their current plan. The major insurance companies are walking away from Obama Care in a lot of states. Sometime in the next two years the fan will be flinging dung all over government run health care. I can see Donald leaning across his desk and looking into the camera and saying " How you like that Obama Care Now". It's funny to watch the Democrats not supporting any kind of health care a Republican proposes. Sort of like watching someone bite of their nose to spite there face. The government really needs to get out of the health care business.

 

See, that's the kind of goofiness that the left will spout off about, and they'll hope it goes unchallenged. Well, I'll challenge it. Many of the 22 million people you state will "lose" their healthcare are those who will choose not to sign up for the program, because unlike Obamacare, the Republican plan gives people the option to not partake in what's being offered. So yeah, there may be a large chunk of people who are not covered in the new program who were covered in the old program (the 22 million figure sounds a bit high to me), but for the vast majority, that will be their choice. I'm sure you have a very good reason to want to represent people who decide not to sign up for this new healthcare plan as losing their healthcare, yes?

 

There is no way either Republican plan will do what they are saying

They are going to end up looking like the exact same liars the Democrats did after "selling" their health care bill.

I kinda am wanting it to just "die" so we can have the bipartisan conversation (hopefully). I think people need to be real about how much it is going to cost and what it will cover, so far we have gotten lies from literally every single politician. Well, maybe not Rand Paul, but he has plenty of other issues!

 

You challenged one sentence in the OP and then got that wrong. Why will those people opt out? Because they can't afford the higher premiums. What will happen to Trumpcare if the young and healthy don't sign up and insurers are left with only the sick and the elderly? Trumpcare will collapse and quickly.

This is what the Trump administration did to Obamacare. It is true, Obamacare is in trouble. Trump made that happen, indicating he doesn't care about healthcare for Americans.

The Trump administration has left insurers, providers and advocates increasingly jittery over Obamacare's future. The uncertainty is prompting many insurers to consider withdrawing from the exchanges next year. Several have already pulled out, including Humana (HUM), whose exit is leaving roughly 40,000 people in Tennessee without any coverage option for next year, unless another carrier steps in.

Here's what Trump has done to Obamacare in his first 100 days:

Issued an executive order to roll back Obamacare.

Stressed Obamacare was on the verge of collapse. He has rode Congress hard to repeal the law, attacking lawmakers that he feels are standing in the way.

Canceled ads for Obamacare open enrollment. Trump pulled Obamacare ads days ahead of enrollment deadline

Weakened enforcement of the individual mandate. Insurers are concerned that Trump will keep weakening the individual mandate, which stipulates that nearly all Americans have health insurance. This requirement is key to attracting younger and healthier people to the exchanges, which helps offset the costs incurred by older and sicker enrollees.

Tinkered with some rules to benefit insurers.
The rule, which went into effect this month, shortens the open enrollment period for 2018, makes it harder for Americans to sign up for coverage outside that period and requires they pay any premiums owed before re-enrolling with the same insurer.

It also gives insurers a little more leeway in raising deductibles and co-pays in their plans, which means people could have to pay more out of pocket but could see slightly lower premiums.

Encouraged states to change Obamacare's rules by eliminating essential healthcare benefits.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/28/news/economy/obamacare-trump-100-days/index.html

In other words, Trump really doesn't care about healthcare benefits for Americans. He is more interested in saving money for his tax reform scheme.

If you disagree, please tell me how Trump is providing adequate healthcare for the blue collar worker and his family, the kind of people who voted for him.

 

The wall is now going solar...or haven't you heard? At the 2:27 mark...

 

Would you post the names of the people that the Senate Bill was supposed to kill so we can confirm they weren't already killed by Obamacare Death Panels?

 

I think that Donny has come to the realization that the Senate HC Bill is DEAD.

It ain't hapennin'.

At this point, Trump is realizing that it is time to accept the Health Care defeat and move on.

 

And all those folk living in the rust belt and heartland best be counting their pennies because OBerrycare "IF" they can even get it will be unaffordable or realistically unattainable!

You happier now

 

My sentiments exactly, let it collapse and then see the whose crying!

 

If that's what it comes down too that is exactly what he should do. Why waste pearls of wisdom and experience on swine?

 

Actually the voters want OBAMA CARE Repealed. Period. Who the hell is the government to order people to buy health insurance. We have choices to buy just about anything sold in America or not to buy it. I thought Ponzi schemes were illegal? Oh! wait I forgot about Social Security. Old people have a lot of nerve to make future generations support their retirement years. Selfish. You have all these people who lived unhealthy life styles and they now they are sick but they don't want to take responsibility for their recklessness but want us the tax payer to pay the way. BS.

 

As I posted in another thread. Lets just limp along with obamacare until it totally fail. Then wait for Schumer and Pelosi come begging the republicans to do something. Maybe they will quit resisting.

 

Is that you Sean???? Spinning a health care "death" bill that will never be passed.

 

Been saying this for months. In fact, just tweak it a little and rip the heart out of the mandate. That ought to do it. It's dead anyway. Just put a bullet in it and put it out of its misery.

 

Seriously, are you a Trump zombie? Do you honestly think this bill will benefit all? Mitch, get your head out of your _ss. Wake up.

 

You'll not find a post of mine supporting repeal and replace I pray every night and twice on sunday that Oberrycare goes full term. I look forward to watching the worm turn and all those freeloaders begging for anything to replace no coverage!

 

I am actually happy about this for several reasons. I have 4 friends who are doctors and 2 who sell medical insurance, ALL SIX of them literally give the ACA a 0/10. There are different reasons they say so, but they all hate it and I take their opinions very seriously.

First and foremost, I do not like Obamacare.

Second, I don't like anything coming out of any of the Republicans right now either.

Third, trying to fix ACA will be a mess, will be extremely inefficient and will allow both parties to continue with BS propaganda.

I am hoping that they do not get it done, ACA "dies on the vine" and we are forced to come up with something TOGETHER.

I would personally like to see a "catastrophic insurance coverage" mandate that everyone has to buy in to and nothing else. Minimum coverage and minimum costs, make sure that people that need life saving coverage get it instead of just going to the emergency room.

After that, let states sell over state lines and let each state come up with its own "style of insurance". The 50 or so "styles" can compete with each other to see what is the best system for everyone to purchase.

We are not Europe, we are much more of an individualist culture and healthcare as central as the ACA will not work, whether is has a D or an R next to its namer

 

The problem is, in a phrase, the ratchet effect. Trump is trying to push against it by brute force, and it just doesn't work.

Once government has power, once people have a benefit at others' expense, it is not possible to go back. The government will not relinquish the power.

So they're trying to pass some BS "reform" bill when everyone knows they want a repeal. They know they want a repeal. It's a real quagmire.

 

Your turn to prove your statement.

 

Yeah, just let the ACA die on it's own and take millions of the middle class with it as they throw more of their money into a plan they'll never use because of the ultra high deductibles. And then watch as they blame Trump for not fixing it.

 

Marco Rubio killed it and the GOP needs to be own that fact and fix it...

Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act - The New ...

 

Honest debate is dead.

 

Dems controlled the whole process and wouldn't allow any GOP changes. Dems own it and any problems that occurred afterwards. Law of the land remember? Bad parts of the law were delayed by Obama's royal scepter. I've seen the disaster it has caused some of my family members, how good could it possibly be when the architect of the plan said he depended on the stupidity of the public to get it passed.