Russia, friend or foe?

Wow. The USSR was an ally in WWII. But then they took a different course. Things changed. They became our enemy in the Cold War and we nearly ended in nuclear war with them. Then they changed again. They crashed. They were broke and the USSR crumbled under the weight of their collapse. They became "mere" adversaries. They did not become our ally again. We are not friends. They seek to dominate us constantly now. They hacked our recent election. That is an act of war. They are not our friend. They remain our adversary. And your eagerness to roll over for them is both scary and shocking. You've been brainwashed.

 

No, they want to dominate Eastern Europe.

Big difference.

They released some propaganda. That is far from an act of war.

 

You underestimate.

 

Russia is an enemy of the United States. Always has been. Probably always will be.

But strictly from a diplomatic and legal standpoint they are not an enemy of the United States which is what I point out in all these hysterical claims about how people claim that using the assistance of the Russians to elect President Trump is treason.

And I question how many liberals/progressives/Democrats REALLY consider Russia an enemy of the U.S.

Are they willing to support huge cutbacks in domestic spending so the U.S. can afford to spend hundreds of billions more on defense and increase the size of the active duty military by 2-300,000 so that we can be absolutely certain of militarily intimidating this enemy in the future?

Didn't think so.

 

I don't think so. The Russians are in no position to dominate even Eastern Europe. Their Ukraine gambit has failed, and they're not getting any further than that. NATO countries are simply out of the question.

 

Shouldn't someone actually get killed before we call it an act of war?

 

Without evidence, the phrase "Russian Hacking of the election" is just an empty rallying cry for the sore losers and Trump Haters who cannot stand the idea that the democrat party and their candidate were crushed in the election last November.

If Russian Hacking means hacking the DNC email server, there is no proof it affected the election.

In fact, the intelligance agencies (all four of them) stated after the election it did not alter the outcome. Other things affected the election more.

Everyone heard the DNC story at the same time they heard about the Access Hollywood tapes. The Mass Hysteria (I mean Media), predicted Trump's campaign was finished as a result. They predicted his loss right up the the polls closing on election day.

The fact is Trump overcame some very bad publicity to be elected President of the United States.

Why couldn't Hillary?

Russian Hacking of the election is an OVERSTATEMENT.

Only diehard Trump Haters still believe it.

 

I didn't say Russia dominates us.

 

So what exactly am I underestimating?

 

Are you saying it never happened?

 

You said Russia does not seek to dominate us. That's what your "no" means.

And the hacking wasn't just a release of data. I guess you watch or read some news source that doesn't tell you all the facts.

 

That's right, because they don't. They might wish to dominate us, but to say that they're "seeking" to do so implies some activity towards that end.

This isn't a matter I've spent much time studying because I really don't care. My understanding of current concerns is that they hacked the DNC and released a number of emails. They, of course, have done a million other things, but this particular hack seems to be what most people are concerned about.

 

Let's talk about what Russian Hacking means first.

I say the phrase "Russian Hacking" is a LOADED PHRASE that means one thing to one person and something else to another

To Trump Haters, I think it means the election was rigged

To the rest of the world, I think it means someone (possibly the Russian, possibly not) broke into the DNC email server and lifted the emails of John Podesta. The emails were embarrassing, but had no proven affect on the election.

Instead, Russian Hacking is a phrase used to whipped up a mob.

When I hear Russian Hacking I picture a mob of Trump Haters being whipped up with unproven accusations simply because the powers-that-be lost a fair election.

Why would they whip up a mob? Because they want power back. They want you to get it for them.

In order to do that, I think the powers-that-be are leaving Russian Hacking undefined because of its affect on Trump Haters

You my friend are a perfect example of what I am saying. You are not the first be used.

Russian Hacking is similar to an earlier rally cry--Blame the Jews-- issued by another power grabbing party without explaining what it meant.

To close, I don't think the powers-that-be want a definition of Russian Hacking that is written in stone because an objective definition of the phrase would cause people to think and lessen its value.

Therefore, before we discuss if Russian Hacking happened, tell us specifically what the hell you are talking about.

 

Not to me.

You are gullible if you really believe the spin that it's about losing the election.

Nope. There are two issues that you don't seem to know about. Russian agents located in the U.S. hacked into both RNC and DNC servers. That is a crime. It's also an attack by a foreign power. The second issue is that there is now much more solid evidence that the Trump Administration was in contact with Russian during the campaign and lied about it. They received money from Russia and lied about it.

No, you were. Hillary is at best a status-quo establishment puppet of the corporate elite. At worst a criminal. Her loss is not my concern. But you were told that anyone opposing Trump is whining over having lost the election. You were had.

And you really believe that is all this is about.

 

Code;

Thank you for proving my point about being whipped up in the face of zero evidence of the Russian Collusion Illusion.

I knew I could count on at least one of you.

Trump will be president until 2020 and probably 2024.

Stay calm.

 

Russia is and always has amd always will be our enemy and our 2 nations destinys will inevitably result in one completely destroying the other. That is a fact.

That said. I found your "but don't you guys remember the Cold War?" Bit to be pretty... well... dumb. By that logic, don't you remember the American Revolution? Dont remember the war of 1812? Don't you remember the Civil War? Dont you remember WW1? WW2? Nam? Etc etc etc. Do you see the issue here?

 

You might want to master simple math, before you delve into geopolitics. WW2 ended 72 years ago.

 

It's funny how liberals want to take a step backwards, and enter into a new Cold War with the Russians, because they lost a election.
They've already got the comical McCarthy hesterics down pretty good.

 

So you don't want preemptive war, but preemptive strikes on NK are fine.
Good god, are you serious?

 

Again, I will try to keep this simple for you.

(1) The United States has national interests. Russia has national interests. The two sets of interests are often at odds. Often, but not always. Characterizing Russia as either an enemy or a friend is too simplistic. Yes, for the most part they are to be treated as an adversary, but as President Trump has said, if the Russians were to want to play a constructive role in the fight against ISIS, why wouldn't we consider that a good thing?

(2) You now wish to recognize Russia as a geopolitical foe. Were you supportive of Mitt Romney when he stated that basic fact? Or were you snickering along side your brilliant foreign policy expert, Barack Obama?

(3) Please don't mischaracterize what I think of Russia. No, I do not see Russia as a part-time friend and part-time foe. And no, I am not a Russian sympathizer. I see Russia as a world power that needs to be dealt with. Once again, see item 1.

(4) What do you think Russia did to help Trump? Make the American electorate aware of facts which the Clinton campaign would have prefered to keep under wraps? Sorry to have to break it to you, but it wasn't the Russians who seriously damaged the Clinton campaign, it was someone named Hillary Clinton.

(5) You say that Trump has taken no steps to prevent Russia from interfering in future U.S. elections. So when did President Obama become aware of Russia's activities? And what steps did President Obama take to prevent Russia from interfering in U.S. elections?

I've been brainwashed? I'm not the one that's now convinced that the Russian bogeyman is out to get me. No, the Russians are not our friend, but neither are they the be all and end all of our foreign policy concerns. Your CNN compromised brain is now scared and shocked when made to confront this simple fact. Sorry to have to cause you discomfort.

 

FOE to 99 and 44/100th% of the USA.

Friend to the IMBECILE-in-CHIEF (aka Putin's PUPPET) Trump.

 

Good Grief!

 

It is important to note how Crimea became a federal subject of Russia. The Crimean parliament declared their independence from the Ukraine, and then they signed a treat of accession with the Russian Federation. It's similar to how Texas declared independence from Mexico, and then signed a treaty to join the union of the United States.

 

Russia is neither friend or foe. Sometimes they are a partner more often a rival but not an enemy.