Trump Tweets Bring Baby to US

True, scientific advances are made by experimenting on particular patients but in this case a "success" will be a baby that will never be able to see, hear or breath on its own and will have permanent brain damage. The baby will need 24/7 full time care for the rest of his life so who will pay for that. This money could have been used to cure many babies who will die because there is not infinite funds. That is the harsh facts of medical care and funding

 

This amuses me, the left went on an on ridiculing Sarah Palin and her death panels but today they act like it's no big deal. You do know.the Pope and the Vatican also.offered Charlie to go there right? Is the pope show boating on this issue?




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Yes, this is a great idea. Let's spend a few million to keep a brain dead baby alive and not give healthcare to hundreds of Americans... CHeck !
Right down Trumps ever losing mind.... And his daughter wonders why people are hard on him, He is Stupid, and has not a clue what he is doing...

 

I've mentioned this a few times ie who is going to pay for the 24/7 high intensive aftercare for the rest of his life that would be needed even if the drugs were 100% successful and not one person has tried to answer that.

 

You know, the issue isn't really so much if they can heal the child's body or not, but rather what is to become of the child AFTER the treatment is successful? The child is currently brain dead with a lot of loss of brain tissue, so even if they did manage to heal the child's body, they wouldn't be able to function.

Yeah, the treatment might be able to heal the body, but can it grow the childs brain back?

 

You want the government to rule your life. I don't. Obviously what is happening in England is what death panels look like in a socialized society.

1. The hospital says that they have to take Charlie off life support
2. Parents said that they will remove him from the hospital and take him to either Italy or the US where he can get an experimental drug.
3. Hospital decides to take them to court to prevent that so they can kill the baby, because he MUST DIE with dignity.
4. Court agrees with the hospitalsaying that the hospital has 100% control over whether he lives or dies and parents have no control over their own children.

Welcome to the world of death panels in which the government controls your life and even control when you die. This is a science fiction horror movie. Now because of the outrage, England is reconsidering. If the parents want one last ditch effort to save their baby, who is the government to chime in? The parents have raised the money so the government NEEDS to butt out. This is scary stuff...

 

Exactly

For years the Rotary Clubs have raised money for this child or that child to have expensive care and that is very nice but the same money could have helped more than one person if it were invested correctly. The Fred Hollows foundation has been raising money for years to not only fund cataract surgery in third world countries but also help those countries build factories to make lenses. Result independence for the country in this surgery.

 

And this does not happen in America?

Ok so they have 1.8 million. That will not go far. It costs around $3,000 per day minimum to keep someone on life support. I understand this poor wee one is as close to brain dead as makes no difference. Now in the early days of ventilation, before the brain death criteria were established, we did keep people alive. And the bodies failed organ by organ. The term I read in the medical text was that they "rotted to death"

There is a difference between prolonging life and prolonging death

 

It will be another case like Baby K the enencephalic baby that was kept alive for 18 months

 

Basically because the baby is brain dead

 

Charlie Gard case to be given another hearing...

Parents still fighting for Charlie Gard's treatment
Monday 10th July, 2017 — The British parents of a terminally ill baby, facing another court hearing on his condition and care, said Sunday they are hopeful he will receive the experimental treatment that previous rulings have prevented.

 

I understand that. I am not sure the parents understand that. Hope dies last....

In any case, I suppose the ethical question is whether the parents are allowed to put the child through experimental treatment, even when it is likely that it will just prolong the suffering.

In a legal sense, parents cannot do things to their children that harm them. If the treatment results in more harm than good, then it is the ethical obligation of the courts to protect the child, even against the will of the parents. I presume that this is the ethical decision that the courts made, even though it may not be a popular decision.

I think the critical point is that parents don't "own" the child and their power to decide things has limits, especially when those decisions can do more harm than good.

 

Nice try at deflection. My comment was based on many comments you made about our government.

You were whining about death panels. Are those only the result of big government or can small governments implement them also?

 

I can understand thier confusion. I have had to care for more than one brain dead child. The spinal reflexes are often intact which can give the appearance of independent movement. Denial is such a strong emotion.

 

Reagan shrank the government? Seriously? Government was bigger when he left office than when he was sworn in.

Critical thinking is something the religious right gave up during years of childhood indoctrination. Your comments putting "life" above the pain and suffering of the child show you are among the religiously indoctrinated incapable of critical thinking..

Your comments regarding trump prove it again. No one, using even a modicum of critical thinking, could be swayed by the constant bull$hit emanating from trump's mouth and tweets. No one, using even a modicum of critical thinking, could put their trust in a man so in need of constant praise from those around him. No one, using even a modicum of critical thinking, could continue to believe a man who lies so often to prop himself up.

 

Reagan was not a King. He dealt with a lying tax and spend Congress.

Stop the moronic insults.

Stop the moronic insults. If you were thinking critically, you'd have caught the point that a child cannot both have no brain function and feel pain.

Stop the moronic insults. I believe that Trump is one a path that I can support, and continue to support him as a result.

 

Theres no death panels in socialized medicine, racist

 

You want the government out of interfering with medical decisions. Great! In England, in this particular case, it was not the government that decided to pull the plug, it was the doctors based on the facts that the child was in constant pain and there was no chance for recovery.

The parents went to the government (the courts) and tried to prevent the doctors from pulling the plug. The government/courts agreed that the decision was best left to the doctors. Given these facts, what are you complaining about?

On a more general level, in this Country (US) assisted suicide is prohibited by the government. Am I correct that you believe the government should have no say in the matter and that all Americans should have the right to assisted suicide?

 

Your spin on it don't even make sense... So now GB doctors have/had the rights to murderer people?

Learn something new everyday.



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So you are admitting that you were wrong when you said Reagan shrank the government.

It may be insulting, but it's true.

I did not comment on whether or not he has brain function. Your deflection fails.

Of course you do - thereby proving my point about critical thinking.

 

All medical officers have the right to discontinue treatment especially if the patient fulfills the criteria of brain death

 

UH what has you r post got to do with the post of mine you quoted?

First though, the "left" is still ridiculing any drooling idiot who thinks there are death panels.....not just Palin....


Now try to FACE the rest of my post :


Since I made it about all the OTHER dying babies...the millions who are conveniently ignored if Trump doesn't tweet about them.


WHY is THIS particular baby so special? Because it's white? Because Trump tweeted about it and can use it's suffering for political purposes?

There are babies that could be saved simply by being given food!!!.


Are all these "Save The Baby From the Clutches of DEATH PANELS" drama queens sending millions of dollars to feed these SAVEABLE babies?

Would Trump let a baby from Syria into the country ?


..and yet this baby who will never think, talk or hear is soooo special....but compassion has NOTHING to do with it....

 

You're the one who typed two condtradictions in your post. Accusing me of "dishonesty" for pointing out what you typed, and asking you to clarify is, well, beyond any rational argument we can have.

 

They certainly exist in the UK obviously and people like you will want to bring them here. Abortions and death panels-----how lovely...do you ever think about the sanctity of life?

 

There is no contradiction. The treatment doesn't work in most of the cases OF THE DISEASE IS WAS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR.

You have to quote the rest of the ****ing statement. But you know that. Which is why you'd rather deliberately misrepresent what I said.