Have you told Mr Trump we are all going to die down here?

Yep, Venus' runaway greenhouse effect finally equalized with a surface temperature of 800F!

 

But the premise was clearly absurd, I sure he was having us on. Even if the concept wasn't silly (that we'd suffocate as a result of an overheated atmosphere rising up and expanding out so we couldn't breathe it) how much does he think the atmosphere could possibly heat up as a result of global warming?

 

Yep, that's why I originally thought it was a tongue-in-cheek comment.

 

Might as well say "look at the Sun" because Earth can't possibly become like Venus. For cryin' out loud, Venus has 96% CO2 in its atmosphere, we have 0.04% in ours.

 

By the way, I like the Venus analogy for a couple of reasons. Venus receives only 25% of the solar radiation of Mercury yet the surface of Venus is hotter despite it being further from the Sun. Also, greenhouse gases cause a steepening of the vertical temperature gradient. On Venus the surface is baking while the upper atmosphere is freezing. In fact, Venus's upper atmosphere is colder than that on Earth despite Earth being further away. The same effect is now happening on Earth. That is the lower atmosphere is warming while the stratosphere is cooling. Our vertical temperature gradient is steepening just like how Venus' did.

 

But there's a limit to how much warming can occur. A doubling of the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere from what it was at the start of the Industrial revolution can only (by itself with no feedbacks) raise temps by 1 degree C. You're not going to get a huge increase in temps based on that.

 

Exactly. There just simply isn't enough CO2 on Earth (plus we're further away) to turn it into Venus. Sorry Stephen Hawking. You're a smart guy and all, but Earth will not turn into Venus. I still like the Venus analogy though because of the similarities in the mechanisms, but the magnitude of the effect is way different.

 

After the ''defence'' provided, the prosecution calls for a dismiss of the claim that we are going to suffocate. I am in error on the thought and I thank you for the correction in the error in my thinking on this matter.

 

i live at sea level.

 

Yeah...all those scientists and other concerned Americans must be in cahoots, simply a conspiracy to lie to everyone. And let's not forget about all of the peer reviewed scientific studies and consensus which again all of them must be liberals trying to fraud Americans by using fear tactics. If this is what you believe then I agree it is hysterical...

 

One of the problems is that right or wrong most of the world's people operate in a capitalistic society. Since we know this, and since it is the current preferred method of commerce, all of us need to make it work better. There is no utopian solution...all we can do is hope we can do better before we annihilate ourselves. The odds are surely quite scary on this happening!

One really positive bit of news this past week was Volvo announcing no more fossil fuel engines and all electric. This IMO is a big damned deal! All the other major car manufacturers are either researching or introducing EV's. This was a long time coming and BAM! it's here...

 

Is it more important to be a doctor or a farmer? Well it depends on the moment in time doesn't it? If you are bleeding out chances are a doctor will be the most important thing in your life...right? But, after you stop bleeding out, if you do not eat the food produced by the farmer, you will still die. So...instead of trying to place an arbitrary value on one's labor, consider that in the grand scheme of things we require the combined talents and efforts of all humans...

 

Extremely well put.

 

The question is not who is more important at any point in time, it's: how difficult is the profession to master? There are fewer doctors than farmers because becoming a doctor takes a long time and requires a lot of skull sweat.

Farming, by comparison, doesn't require as much discipline to master. Which is why the market pays doctors more than farmers: it has determined that a doctor's services are more valuable than a farmer's.

 

How do we convince approximately 11 billion people to just stop and listen? is the question that need to be addressed. I honestly wish there was an Alien invasion, the world would soon unite when their trousers ''fill''.
Generally I think the world is so scared of change, they do not have the logic to understand why the changes are so important. The industrial revolution had lots of people who were opposed to change. People just want to mainly exist without any governing. However people also understand why there has to be laws the some laws have to be enforced.
Having electric cars can only help, there is no need to have pollutants. There is also no need to make cars that can travel over the speed limits, needless deaths can be avoided.
People are subjected from an early age the importance of money, it is subjective that gold and diamonds or currency has any real value.
There is also no need for long working hours for any man or women, a working week should be no more than 3 days, this means immediately twice the jobs available of the same job.

 

I am a farmer and I earn many times more than the average doctor...oops

Using your wisdom how do you value a rookie military soldier who is sent into combat?

Lastly, do you actually believe humans can survive without someone providing them food?

 

Society of the past has subjected you to this beliefs.

 

Twice the jobs but lower paying jobs due to less work hours.

Most of us demand far more than we are willing to fund in life...especially when it comes to government. US tax policy IMO is one reason why so many Americans don't feel a need to help fund the government which they demand. All the pissing and moaning about taxes yet Americans live in the best place on Earth! Why don't these disgruntled Americans pack up and leave?

 

In an ideal world there would be no pay for jobs , everybody would just all be entitled to the same benefits. The benefits being that of food, housing and holidays with service with a smile. For one who provides a service for somebody, could have the service provided back. i.e I serve you coffee on a Tuesday, you serve me coffee on a Thursday.

 

The Earth is a self correcting system and for those of you who do not know runaway global warming stalls the North Atlantic and other sea water heat transfer system as glacier and polar fresh water ice melt causes colder sea water coming down from the North to become lighter thus it stalls the warmer salt water current which ordinarily would be lighter as the warmer sea water current runs North atop the Cold sea water current and heavier sea water current which is flowing south and ordinarily heavier to become lighter due to the introduction of this fresh water and thus both currents stall.

When this happens you get an ICE AGE!!

AA

 

Why don't you expand on what you said so it makes more sense? As of now, I've no idea what you're trying to say.

 

Oops indeed. It's never wise to cite anecdotal evidence. Not when the internet can factcheck your butt:

Q: How much do doctors earn?
A: While male primary-care doctors made an average of $225,000, women with the same job title earned an average of $192,000. Male specialists made roughly $324,000; female specialists made about $242,000

Q: How much do farmers earn?
A: The median income of U.S. farm households increased steadily over 2010-14, reaching an estimated $81,637 in 2014. After dipping in 2015 to $76,735, median household income is forecast to rise over the next 2 years, reaching an expected $79,733 in 2017.
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Gee, I'm not a farmer, but I think $225,000 is a leetle more than $79,7333.

You mean how much do we value the soldiers who fight for us? We may respect them, but we don't pay them very much. Probably because their training doesn't take long and the skillset is not hard to come by.

A soldier with 6 year's experience will make about $20,000 a year. That's not much above the $13,000 poverty level income.

But then, soldiers don't volunteer to get rich, they join up to protect America.

Do you actually believe that humans can survive without garbage collectors? Plumbers?

Of course we can, it'll just be inconvenient while we train new farmers after whatever apocalypse killed off the previous ones.

The fact is that automation will soon (less than 20 years) be taking over farmers' jobs and a lot of the other manual labor categories.

 

There will never be an ideal world.

People have bartered their labor and production since the beginning of time.

One of the requirements with 'problem solving' is to clearly and concisely define the problem. And, the possible solutions to solve a problem are required to be viable solutions. For example, if I'm low on cash, a solution is not to hold out winning Powerball. We can dream up wonderful 'ideal' solutions but they're a waste of time if they cannot be implemented...

 

I suggest the issue with global climate change and it's effects is solely about humans. Who cares if Earth is flooded and 100% covered with water if there are no humans? Who cares if Earth's atmosphere becomes lethally toxic if there are no humans? Therefore, everything in the past is meaningless! The only questions are what humans are doing to contribute to climate change, and, can humans survive the theorized potentials of global climate change? How many millions of years does it take to see the next major ice age?

IMO it doesn't make much difference if we freeze or boil to death. Your ice age scenario above is triggered by warming...

 

Fact is, anecdotal or not, since I make many times more than a doctor, no one can tell me that my labor is worth less than a doctor or others.

Just as you claim I cannot use anecdotal information you cannot stereotype in order to declare that one person's labor is more or less valuable than another person's labor. How can you place a value on a soldier in combat? Pick a number...$5 million...so this means Bill Gates labor is more important than the combat soldier's labor?

The point is it does not make any difference how much I earn compared to doctors or anyone. What I earn versus what others earn does not make me less or more of a person. Trying to fabricate an artificial value of a human serves no purpose whatsoever other than applying a label...and labels do nothing but divide people...