How CONVENIENT life is when one ignores facts ....CONVENIENCE seems to be their goal.... You: ""If a law does not reflect the will of the people, if the law is merely words on paper, then it is meaningless. Simply putting something in writing and using the police powers of the govt to force the unwanted law upon people accomplishes nothing productive."" Yes, which is why it's a good thing women's rights are protected and abortion is legal Making it illegal does not reflect the will of the people and accomplishes nothing productive....
No one is arguing for killing children. The topic is abortion and it is not murder even if you feel justified in thinking it is. No reasonable person could extract that from what I posted. Exactly! Attempting to force your beliefs on others should never see the protection of law. Its her uterus! You suspect wrong. The belief that abortion in most cases should be illegal comes mostly from the evangelical right and does not reflect the will of the people as a whole. Unfortunately, they don't seem to like birth control either. The solution involves educating children and preventing unwanted pregnancy along with the other dangers of unprotected sex. By age 10, you could have asked any of my children about where babies come from and they could tell you every detail. They also knew what condoms were. Preventing abortions will never be the result of passing laws; it will always come from the actions of those who really care. I appreciate you being one of those people.
I didn't know pro-life people were actually adopting. Not everyone is capable or able to adopt children, but I thought most staunch pro-lifers were mostly "bumper sticker advocates" Unfortunately...the more vocal hypocrites always get the media attention.
Do you think we should force women to abort when they can't take care of it? What about if they already have 2 children they can't take care of, and now there's another one coming along? What I'm saying is that "unwanted" argument doesn't only apply when the woman is seeking to exert her choice. You allow abortion on the basis of the supposed necessity of abortion, you open up the door to potential forced abortions in the future... Just because one makes the supposition that social necessity trumps the life of the fetus, that does not necessarily do anything to further the idea that it is the woman's choice that trumps the life of the fetus.
What if it were me? I would hope my parents would give me a chance at having a life and put me up for adoption.
I'd assume that my carrier had an extremely good reason for aborting me What? I am so confused by that statement, what is going on in this world? Some one please help me ? .
The prerequisite for a good life is to be healthy. If someone has an incurable disease or is in permanent severe pain and 'living on' morphine, is totally dependent upon others for their every need and bodily function, is without some or all of the senses, can only look out of their bedroom window at the sky and yearn to be a part of the sounds from outside but know they never will be, and if that isn't bad enough, to be constantly aware they will eventually be abused in a so-called 'care home' facility, then I submit that most such invalids would prefer to not be here? Either way, it would be their decision to make, and not yours???
To be raised as an abused and unwanted child? To "live" a life of desperation using drugs and alcohol to cover the pain? There is a concept called quality of life. Lower birthrates result in better quality of life. Just because every sperm is sacred does not mean that the planet must be teeming with impoverished life.
The entire issue of abortion is whether it is murder (a person) or not. That is the root of the issue, until it is resolved the issue of abortion will remain a problem. Everything you argue assumes that issue has been resolved and the unborn are not people. <> Read the data. The majority oppose abortion for convenience, would allow abortion for the hardship cases, yet are nervous about the government intervening because they do not trust the government. <> Read my posts. I am not trying to impose my will on everyone - almost all of my posts have argued that the final decision must be the result of a consensus of the people, not a law imposed by either of the extremes. And you seem to be in the extreme if you take the position that "its her body she can do whatever she wants". I on the other hand, fall in the great middle who would restrict abortion but not ban it.
Thus this is a non-issue as it has already been resolved by reality based observation. Murder is a legal definition and must therefore be defined by the legal system, which has decided abortion is not murder. Person is an arbitrary and opinion based definition that cannot be used to designate universal truths and is thus irrelevant to this discussion in context.
Of course pro-life people adopt. Its not in the media since the vast majority of the media are anti-Christian and pro-abortion. Many churches have outreach ministries oriented towards supporting adoption, promoting pro-life, and providing help to those women considering abortion but decide not to abort. It should not be a surprise that Christians step up and adopt babies who would otherwise be aborted. If you could save a baby's life, and save the pregnant woman from the trauma of abortion (despite the abortionists claims, many women are troubled by their abortion - counseling these women is also part of the churches outreach ministry), and follow God's commandment, wouldn't you take action?
I believe the vast majority of people consider an unborn baby a person, I don't really think that's the real problem. The real problem is that when people are confronted with a major life problem, many take the easier way out. Faced with a life altering decision, its easy to set aside principles and beliefs and make a serious problem just go away. They rationalize it, and seek out people who will agree with them, but deep down they know its a baby and not just tissue. With many of these women, if they are given alternative ways out of their problem, then they will take that and not abort.
No, it is NOT "all in your perspective".... LEGALLY a fetus is NOT a person....YOU can think of it anyway you want but it is NOT a LEGAL person .
NOPE! When you open the door to FORCED GESTATION you open the door to FORCED abortion. When you take away women's rights ( make abortion illegal ) .....well, you take away women's rights which opens the door to taking away their rights... You: ""not necessarily do anything to further the idea that it is the woman's choice that trumps the life of the fetus"" Don't have to "further anything, a woman's rights trumps the life of the fetus.... ...and your feelings do not trump anyone's rights ...IF you force women to sustain the life of another you can ALSO force OTHERS to sustain the life of others. Somebody needs a new kidney they can force YOU to give them yours.....bet you wouldn't like that, would you!?
They couldn't have wanted to live, they had nothing to think with to decide if they wanted to live or not. Why are you playing at fairy tales?? No good Disney movies out? NOTE for ALL the little day dreamers: For the uneducated....the fetus that is aborted does NOT look like the Gerber baby, it isn't born, it can't think, it doesn't have little daydreams about how "I hope mommy doesn't abort me".....and there is no doggy heaven or Santa Claus...sorry to blow your minds with facts but adults accept them..,.
It has been solved, abortion isn't murder I am soooooo happy you can't accept that and CAN'T CHANGE THAT ! Gee, You must think that if a person is given a new heart , when the old heart is taken out ( or ANY body part taken out) , IT'S MURDER!!!! See how ridiculous that is....
You have no idea what the majority of people think. It does not matter what they think, the fetus is not a person. .....and the rest of your post is proof that Anti-Choicers ONLY WANT TO PUNISH WOMEN FOR HAVING SEX.........probably because they didn't have it with them . Pregnant women are so much braver, have so much more backbone than those who continually ignore the facts....
Why wouldn't you ban it ? If it's murder as YOU claim, it's murder. Or do you sit in judgement of every abortion, every woman?
I totally agree. Whats put out for the public is never real truth. I very much respect what you do. What if a woman still chooses abortion as her final decision?
Maybe it depends on her reason and the circumstances in which she was thinking about getting the abortion. I've heard testimony from people who had been conceived in rape (not the pleasantest of circumstances to start a childhood) and they say they are so happy to be alive!
It doesn't prove anything about women's rights, but it shows every situation is different. Many people would assume abortion is the right decision ( after a rape) especially for the child born from it.
