Can war with North Korea be avoided ?

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Can war with North Korea be avoided ?

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  3. Do I look like Nostradamus ?

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  1. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    If yours is the kind of peace Americans and South Koreans want, all US troops will have to withdraw from Japan and South Korea to the American mainland. In the face of North Korea's nuclear blackmail and the loss of the US nuclear umbrella, South Korea will have no choice but to instruct its soldiers to lay down their arms and surrender, rather than to wait for the devil incarnate to turn it into a "sea of fire".

    During the fall of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975, a North Vietnamese tank crashed through the gates of the Presidential Palace (now Independence Palace) in Saigon while US officials and their South Vietnamese allies scrambled into a helicopter, positioned precariously on the rooftop of an elevator house. The historic event could be replicated in South Korea with a North Korean tank rolling through the gates of the Blue House after the withdrawal of US troops.

    P.S. I am sure Cornergas would welcome your type of peace. Cornergas, am I right? :smile:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/30/from-the-archives-the-end-in-vietnam

    http://vietnamawbb.weebly.com/fall-of-saigon.html

    https://saigoneer.com/saigon-people/2802-the-story-of-a-famous-photograph

    http://vietnamawbb.weebly.com/fall-of-saigon.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Saigon
     
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  2. reedak

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    Fat boy Kim may not really be insane but the Chinese leaders are dumb beyond comprehension. The following are excerpts from http://oldsite.nautilus.org/DPRKBriefingBook/china/PRC_Scobel.pdf

    (Begin excerpts)
    Tensions reportedly emerged in the late 1990s over either unmet North Korean demands for Chinese aid or Chinese pressure on North Korea to reform. According to one account, in early 1996 Pyongyang asked for a substantial amount of grain and Beijing responded by offering only a tenth of this. Kim Jong Il was reportedly incensed and threatened to “play the Taiwan card” unless China was forthcoming on an even broader set of demands. Beijing regretted that it was unable to meet all these requests but did offer a more comprehensive package. Pyongyang apparently was mollified. According to another account, a team of Chinese agricultural experts, who visited North Korea in the spring of 1997 under the auspices of the UN Development Program, recommended that their hosts adopt Chinese style reforms without delay. Pyongyang responded by calling Deng Xiaoping a traitor to socialism. Beijing took umbrage and threatened to halt its food aid. Pyongyang responded by initiating talks with Taiwan on the subject of opening direct air links between Taipei and Pyongyang. After the Chinese dropped its threat, the North Koreans broke off talks. Significantly, but perhaps unrelatedly, Beijing also permitted Pyongyang to open a consulate in the newly acquired Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong... (End excerpts)

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-satire-the-old-man-of-the-mountain-4.507884/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-satire-the-old-man-of-the-mountain-3.505616/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-satire-the-old-man-of-the-mountain-2.501418/
     
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  3. Lil Mike

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    Ghandi was lucky in his choice of opponents.

    In the alternate history story The Last Article, "The story describes a Nazi invasion of India and the reaction of the Germans to the nonviolent resistance and pacifism of Mohandas Gandhiand his followers."

    I think you can guess how things ended for Ghandi.
     
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    I think that is the more likely scenario. We still have a few cards to play with China and they've already squeaked out a small concession last week by stating they would remain neutral if the norks attacked first.
     
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    Yes, that and their vote in the U.N. were positive signals. Another interesting signal was a statement in a Chinese newspaper that was quoted here on PF (don't have the link right now) where the Chinese said they would back NK if the US attacked and tried to bring about regime change or a different political alignment of the Korean Peninsula. I found that very interesting.

    What I find disturbing about that, however, is that it also signals that China is not going to take any real kinetic action to end this problem. And, like all the other second and third-rate powers in the world, they are going to leave it to the one first-rate power in the world to handle it. The Chinese statement could be interpreted as meaning that the US may attack NK as long as we don't try to reunify the Koreas. It could almost be interpreted as giving us the go-ahead ... just don't change the political/geographical status quo.

    If the Chinese sit on their asses, and the US deals with this itself, then China should be ashamed of itself. Like a parent who is afraid to discipline their own child, and so the neighbors are forced to do it
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To be honest, I couldn't care less about Peace. If nations want war, they will war. If nations do not want war, they will not go to war.
    He was assassinated.
     
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    Not by the British, and he accomplished his goal.
     
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    You seem to suggest to the South Koreans to hand their country on a platter to the North Korean devil incarnate in order to avoid wars or prevent the South from becoming a "sea of fire".
     
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    Suppose you are the leader of South Korea, tell us how to avoid a war with North Korea if Fatboy Kim invades the South. :angel:
     
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    Trump issued orders to blast NK weapons out of the sky. So he is trying to prevent war.

    If NK fires again at our nations sites of interest, he will lose those missiles he fires.
     
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    Don't go to war. Simple really.
     
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    You'd better tell Fatboy Kim not to go to war. Like his grandfather Kim Il-sung who started the 1950 Korean War, Fatboy
    Kim will start the next Korean War with his nuclear missiles.

    Taking an analogy, if someone is hitting you with a stick, are you going to maintain peace by retreating all the way till you are at the brink of a cliff and forced to jump down to escape being beaten to death? :angel:
     
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    I'm just saying.
     
  14. Cornergas

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    Not a very intelligent post, so why don't you waddle over to the fridge, grab another budweiser and continue watching your rasslin' on TV, seems to be your thing.
     
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    reedak Well-Known Member

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    But please say sensibly, not just opening your mouth. :)
     
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    I would like watching your master Fatboy Kim wrestling or dueling with his South Korean counterpart on TV. :dual:
     
  17. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About 50 paths I want to take that down.

    Too tired now.

    Maybe L8r
     
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    Yes, now you can rest in peace. :angel:
     
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    Or the orange haired geek from Washington..lol...let's seem him in a duel...yeah right..
     
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    1. Don't worry. It's just a matter of time the world will witness a duel between the "orange haired geek" and your "Rocket Man". :dual:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/...ted-options-on-North-Korea-says-US-ambassador

    However, before he launches a "hot war" against your master, I believe he will squeeze China with whatever means at his disposal such as imposing heavy taxes on Chinese goods, waging a trade war on China, and letting South Korea, Japan and even Taiwan build their own nuclear weapons. The last step will surely send the stupid Nipponophobic Chinese leaders screaming in protest at America.

    2. Let's see the latest Trump tweet on your master.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
    Donald J. Trump‏
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    @realDonaldTrump 11h

    I spoke with President Moon of South Korea last night. Asked him how Rocket Man is doing. Long gas lines forming in North Korea. Too bad
     
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    only if Trumps approval numbers rise, I think he needs a war to help his approval numbers
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