Would my fellow conservatives a pro-ISIS march in the US ?

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In addition to being very handsome, I'm also humble enough to reconsider things. I would NOT support Americans who wish to have a pro-ISIS march because ISIS is a terror group that hates the US, the Fed gov't, and has killed many people.

    The KKK and the Nazis also were terror groups in their prime, and they too hated the Fed gov't and killed many people. While I don't agree with how antifa thugs went about it, how do we moderates and conservatives be against ISIS marches, but be ok with Nazi/KKK ones ?
     
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    It is an interesting question.

    I suppose one's answer would hinge on how one views the protections of the First Amendment as it applies to:

    Foreign Terrorists (ISIS)

    as compared to

    Domestic Terrorists (Nazi/KKK).
     
  3. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I'd be a hypocrite to deny a pro-ISIS rally but be ok with a Nazi one. They both were/are terror groups by all definitions. To be pro-Nazi is to be pro mass genocide because that was the end result of the regime.
     
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    Another one who has no respect for the Constitution and the 1st amendment.

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    Do you believe it is possible to be for free speech yet against what is being spoken? I do. Let these folks protest and march. That way they put themselves on display. The people can choose if they agree or not. Most Americans disagree with these extremists so what is wrong with letting them expose what they are about?

    Democracy is about trusting the wisdom of the people. Open debate is a cornerstone of democracy.
     
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  6. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You obviously have no idea of my posting here on this topic.
     
  7. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would you support a pro-ISIS rally in US streets ?
     
  8. God & Country

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    No ISIS is an enemy of the US whose only mission is to eliminate all of the non muslims in the world. Why would we even entertain such a proposal? The Constitution protects everyone in the US citizens and foreigners alike but there is nothing in it that says we must accomodate our enemies or their agents.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, I agree - but the KKK's goal was to wage war against the federal government and to oppose segregation. They murdered many black people. They were a terror group too.

    The Nazis were a terror group who committed mass genocide against the Jews and who declared the US as their Jewish-run enemy. What's the difference.
     
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    The KKK never hated the government historically and why they went for and gained seats in the democratic party.
     
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    I want to answer this. But first, please define your use of "support" in the context of this question.
     
  12. Daniel Light

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    Believe me, take a walk down the corridors of any American prison - the KKK and nazi ARE STILL terror groups, actively killing cops, running drugs and extorting money to finance their operations. The FBI files on these guys is a mile thick.

    I can't stop them from marching, but gad-damn, I will not sit by while people on this site try to paint them as innocent victims.
     
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    As long as they are peaceful. I would love to have an open debate with them, especially about the virgins.
     
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    Oh no, they are not innocent at all. Do you trust the wisdom of the people to reject their beliefs? I do.
     
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    I did - not so sure anymore after reading the number of nazi apologists that are on this site.
     
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    It isn't that people are sympathetic to nazis, it is just the left has been so off the wall lately that nazis look more reasonable by comparison.

    Not many people support these extremists but the left has been off the rails for a while now.
     
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    Right now, if conservatives did support a Pro-ISIS rally they would look equally nutty as the left. For a while now the left has ignored terrorist attacks and violence by pro leftists. This makes them look really nutty by comparison.

    The leftist groups destroy property and cause mayhem and the left defends them. These white supremacists cause problems and the left goes bananas......that looks really insane.
     
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    As a conservative, I'm not against anyone marching because a peaceful march is a civil right guaranteed by the Constitution.

    I may hate their point of view but not their right to express it.

    And btw, the KKK is not a conservative group by any definition that I accept.

    My two cents ...
     
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    100 million people who are to the left of you DID NOT march, have never rioted, and don't post on political websites ... don't you think the hyperbole has gone far enough? If you want to say the antifa folk are crazy - fine. But please don't sink to talk show rhetoric on this.

    I would never accuse Republicans or the right as being represented by the KKK or the nazi - they do not.
     
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    The difference is white supremacist are not by default terrorists. Isis is a terrorist organization and its purpose is to murder-kill and subjugate as many non believers as they can.

    White supremacy is a legitimate political ideology no matter how abhorrent it is.
     
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    I wouldn't support an American rally for an enemy of America we're at war with either.

    But stupid gonna be stupid.

    And they would if they did.
     
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    Are you joking?

    You realize that you would be the "antifa" that shows up to an ISIS so called peaceful march..and when,not if S$%t pops off, and one of them blows them selves up, after your recovery would you then come back to this site to blame the "antifa" for starting it?

    If president Trump then announces he blames both sides for a pro Isis peaceful marcher blowing them selves up and killing a woman, would you then see our position for calling him a coward?
     
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    freedom of speech, means for the KKK, ISIS, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Nazis..right?

    hmmm.....

    are we really that self-loathing that we protect the speech of those who seek to destroy us?

    are we really that foolish?

    I respect Freedom of Speech, but maybe we need to draw the line at groups that seek the destruction of democracy, freedom and civil rights.
     
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    You make a good point
     
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    There might be a law against this type of stuff while we're at war with someone.

    Interesting topic tho
     

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