Trump’s Afghanistan War Plan: Fight Forever and Call It ‘Victory’

Which foreign policy nightmare, please?

 

Trump's War "Plan"?

Trump is a COMPLETE IMBECILE (who lacks even a cursory knowledge of what is going on in Afghanistan).

Just like that UNPREPARED MORON lacks even a cursory knowledge of 99% of the issues affecting average Americans.

All he proved last night was that he still capable reading a speech off of a prompter.

A speech that was obviously written for him (and that he most likely didn't understand).

Trump's a CLUELESS IDIOT (who is blindly following the advice of his Generals).

That way, when Afghanistan goes further into the toilet, Trump can blame his Generals.

A "Trump PLAN"?

 

Please note that I have a master degree in history and my special area I chose was The War of Independence. My master work was about the turning point of the war and here I wrote that it was the battle of Cowpens in January 1781 in the first with all reasoning for it etc.

Anyway ...
The law of the United States originally came mainly from "Common Law" from England, which had legal force at the time of the American Independence War, because being before British colony.
Since the Constitution of the United States came into force after the war, the "Common law" has been gilding together with the federal laws and also the international treaties signed by the United States. These constitute the law basis, but also the restrictions on the whole of federal law and the right in the 50 federal states.
Now, as far as the system of US jurisdiction is concerned, that is, the responsibilities of the various courts, the whole is quite complicated and, in my opinion, sometimes contradictory.
It is, for example, that federal courts can rarely annul judgments of state courts ... in principle only if this is contrary to federal laws. But an exact definition is ultimately missing and often the Supreme Court is then involved ...
Änderung vorschlagen

 

Obama lost Afghanistan for 8 long years. The Glorious Don has changed that now.

 

I think he means Iraq 2003 ...

 

He claimed America First. He claimed he wanted out of this war.

We need to make India and Pakistan deal with their relative issues before we can do anything with this mess.

 

The US can always kill terrorists. That's the plan.

 

Here's where I disagree. We pay our special operators the sweet bucks to go out and seek the skinny little terrorists. It's time for our regular army to get the hell out of Afghn.

 

The goal should never be to conquer the nation. If they want to squabble amongst themselves, it's not our business.

Our aim must be strictly limited to not allowing any terrorist group having a base of operations. To this end, we have to defeat the terrorist groups, and respectfully convince the "Afgans" that it is not in their interest to harbor such groups.

 

The armed forces are real good at killing people. Not so great at policing hostiles. New day, new mission. Kill the bad guys.

 

The difference is Trump will allow the troops to win.

Under Obama's ROE's, we could not engage unless and until one of us were HIT. Not fired on, not taking it to them...but HIT.

Obama never allowed the military to do it's job, quite simply.

 

I'm one right-wing, arch-Conservative (of the economic variety) who stands in dead-set opposition to the United States remaining in Afghanistan even one more day than is absolutely necessary to get our military personnel and all our crap packed up and OUT of there!

Did we learn nothing from Vietnam?! Have we learned nothing from all our 'adventures' in the Middle East? Have we learned nothing from classic European failures in Islamic countries going back to the British Empire, and later, the Soviet Union?

Obama gave stringent promises in 2008 that he would get us out of both Iraq and Afghanistan very quickly. As we observed with so many of Obama's promises, he lied through his dripping teeth! On the day we were finally rid of him, in January 2017, our military was still very much committed and active in both of these Islamo-pestholes. We have a United States with very large, significant problems to deal with, and we do not (NOT) need to be involved in any more futile, pointless foreign adventures!

Today, the left-wingers are right! Now, it IS "Trump's war", and there is absolutely no getting around that! As I've said in criticizing liberal Democrats for many years, "Truth is truth, and everything else is simply varying degrees of bullshit!"

What should Trump do? Get us OUT of both of these Islamo-dungheaps, while leaving a stern warning --

"The American people have tried to provide your country with a stable platform upon which to build a Republic, with freedom for all your people, but the majority of you do not want that. We understand this now, and so we leave you to create your own destiny in your own way. But if you ever create a government that threatens the United States of America, or that you give safe haven to any organization that does, we will destroy you -- and we won't provide funding for you to rebuild your country, or to re-create another threat against us again."

Gee... maybe I should run for President of the United States...? How could I be worse than what we've had for the last fifteen years?!

 

Pakistan, India, Russia, China and Iran surround Afghanistan. AlQuedaland will be primarily their problem.
The sooner they all figure that out the better.

 

Correct!
The point is that the US won the war in 2002 but failed to leave as winner due to be not able to accept the surrender of Taliban and to leave then. Therefor is only one President and his administration guilty - George W. Bush!

It is liked to blame Obama too, but he earned the mess created by Bush here and failed to clean this mess due to own incompetence!

 

Well the US is not going to leave Afghanistan any time soon, not matter whom is president.

 

I doubt that the ROE will change much under Mattis.

“As the General explained, “We’re seeing a re-criminalization of war. And that means we need to get small units, not big armies… Small units so capable that, as we close with the enemy, they’re transformed into something that is as capable as our air units and sea units have been in shutting down the threats to this country over the last 30 years.”
https://spectator.org/48978_breaking-warrior-code/

Mattis will not violate any of the international laws of war that have determined our ROE. He will happily resign first - and denounce Trump.

Obama put Mattis in command of Centcom.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/07/marine_mattis_centcom_072110w/

 

Oh, they still did and do ... but the problem is do you too?

Question: How many US citizen know that ISIS is also in Afghanistan active?
And how many of those who know this, do know that ISIS is in full scale war with Al Qaeda and Taliban, too?

 

Regular infantry is just a sacrifice to military political correctness.

 

Yea but it's a cool MOS

 

Anyone who looks at a map will know exactly which nations will be most threatened by AQ/IS/TalibanLand.

 

Thanks Obama. The war he claimed he would vote for before he became a Senator.

 

It's already changed.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/02/24/us-changes-rules-engagement-mosul-fight-iraq.html

Your link isn't working by the way.

 

Infantry blue is by far the coolist.

The high command? Not so much.

“That’s because Gen. Mattis always made it his business to know what was happening in his command; and he did not tolerate stupidity and abuse by his Marines. We all understood this because he communicated well and often his expectations. Those expectations included his demand to “keep your honor clean” and to treat the Iraqis “as you would your own family, with dignity and respect.”
https://spectator.org/48978_breaking-warrior-code/

It is important to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties, but if Iraqis and Afghans have to be treated like our "own family" why are we using bullets at all?

 

Utter nonsense. We need no more American boys dying over there for this fruitless nonsense. Until they force India and Pakistan to deal with their never ending cold war nothing will change.

 

People forget what a war is. A war isn't "Let's go kill the enemy and then spend all our money to build them their country back".