Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

"your kind"?????......a moral superior, leftist, Marxist, speaking in such generalities? You should be ashamed!

 

Proud!

 

Nope, I'm a young guy, but I identify with the common sense that used to exist in that era, before the 1960's progressive social revolution.

 

The Constitution is almost always in agreement with conservative principles. We seek to conserve the Constitution; we want it strictly interpreted.

Liberals are the ones who hate the Constitution because it limits what government can get its paws on.

 

Thank God for anti-Semitism. It lends an air of legitimacy to our calls for equal treatment under the law. BLM was simply determined to be ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL RACISTS and assassinators. Try to run that game on Jews, and they go NUKULAR. Other than anti-Semitism, it would all be snowflake stuff. They went after minorities no problemo. But when they went full bore Jewhaters, the game changed.

I wrote that Bannon was there to quell the Nazi anti-Semitism rebellion. IF they had anti-Semitism, which has been occurring since Trump took office, and couldn't keep it hush, then favor would go to minorities.

And so, that is BIGLY what happened. They bolstered the troops against Mexicans and Blacks. But, they didn't develop a strategy to smear the Jews. And so, they are caught flatfooted. And the President is doing mighty false equivalency. And normally, he could get away with it. NOT THIS TIME. And thank god for hitler, as we don't take seriously any symbology or actions towards fascism, cept Nazi salutes, and swashtika's. And hoods. That they made common cause, should really worry some. Nazi's and KKK are not normal bedfellows. Their emboldenment by TRUMP, makes it all clear.

Trump has exposed HIMSELF. Soon, he'll be SMOKIN' his base.

 

Welcome to the "turn back the clock" GOP

 

You are assuming that mores from a by-gone era must necessarily be "un-enlightened".

 

At least they are starting to admit that the GOOD ole days, were when the colors knew their place.

 

Even if this were true, which it's not but I'll indulge you and follow it and try to apply logic to your illogical statement, not all founding fathers were slave owners. Not all the authors of the constitution were slave owners. Some were probably racist, but racist is a modern term that didn't really exist or apply back then. So as a progressive, I would caution others, progressives or not, to apply it retroactively.

Anyway, if you read any books on the founding of this country you would see that the hardest thing they wrote into the constitution was the peculiar institution of slavery. They actually called it that and rarely used the term slavery. So, no, this illogical conclusion is false. If anything, those opposing statues to a rebel uprising AGAINST the US constitution are actually supporting it. And it should note that the same constitution we are referring has been amended to ban slavery, so if we undo it, then we undo the ban on slavery...so yeah, let's rethink this one!

 

the left and their media - Notice that NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox are all corporate entities, which tend to be focused on the bottom line. They are all money-making enterprises first of all, & to my knowledge they all left any notions of the common good on the cutting room floor, probably back in the Reagan Admin. The Left mostly ran on print, which is why I assume the Right is so relentlessly opposed to literacy, education in general, libraries, museums & so on. Which probably also explains the rise of talk radio - anybody can talk, yes? So what media do the Left have?

Are there any national monuments related to the Confederacy? There's Arlington National Cemetery, but I don't know if any Confederates are buried there. TMK, all the big monuments to the Confederacy are located in the former CSA.

Al Sharpton and several others - yah, that makes three people opposed to the Jefferson memorial. & as far as I know, that's about the way that effort will go. Jefferson had his faults, but he worried about the impact of slavery on the US (& Washington did too, for that matter).

Yah, the Constitution was written by wealthy WASP men. It was mostly voted in by the same demographic (that's who could vote back then - no women, no Blacks, no Jews [TMK], no Native Peoples, no Catholics, & so on; & no poor WASP men either, you had to be a man of means or property in order to vote) - What of it? Does that invalidate the content?

 

The Nazis were one thing, the Fascists were another. Nazis in Germany (& elsewhere, for a time), the Fascists in Italy (with limited appearances elsewhere).

 

No, I didn't watch the thing - for the same reason I didn't watch Jay Leno's similar skits on TV - too depressing. Yes, when popular opinion polls are taken in the streets in the US, very often people don't recognize Constitutional guarantees being read to them or in the handout they glance @, & they think that the ideas/language are too radical, & need to dialed back. They usually have the grace to blush when it's explained to them that these are the foundational documents & ideas of the republic they pretend to live in.

The failure of citizens to know what they live under is an indictment of the educational system. @ the very least, people should know what kind of ideological structure they live in. The people who fail these elemental kinds of queries have successfully (intellectually) Amused themselves to death.

 

The Confederate monuments are never - TMK - about the common soldier. They're invariably about the R. Lee, J. Davis, & the top military & government figures of the CSA. In effect, Plantation Society (the owners, not the slaves nor overseers) hid behind the mask of a vainglorious regionalism & controlled all the levers of power - government, church, newspapers, trade, schools - & convinced poor Johnny Reb that he should go & fight on behalf of the 1% - who thoughtfully exempted themselves from the draft if they owned so many slaves, or were in government, or in pulpit, or some other necessary occupation. Plantation Society also beat the drums for war, saying that their chivalric elite would make short work of mere office workers, people wan from lack of sunlight & half raw meat.

They were wrong, dead wrong. & they sacrificed the ordinary people, their slaves, mansions, fine horses, the household silverware & all their other goods & sometimes their lives, to prove the point.

 

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The most bizarre thing is that the majority of the statues of the heroes of the Confederacy were erected by Progressive Democrats including those to Robert Byrd.

 

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Sound more like a white washing of facts. Only an totally uninformed or dedicated progressive Socialist Democrat would make such an excuse.

 

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Opposed to the Antifa that showed up out numbering the opposition. Seems most of both factions arrived to C'ville in the same buses then split up. Odd, very odd.

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Indeed.
And, should the antifa terrorists succeed in suppressing the right to free speech exercised in opposition to the removal of these statues, they will continue this effort in an attempt to silence the opposition to the next step.. and the next step... and the next stop.

Eventually, those that support free speech will say 'enough', and scores, if not hundreds, of antifa terrorists will die bloody deaths.

 

Of course not. You see no issue with using violence to suppress opinions you do not like from people you do not like.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you. Actually, Speaker Gingrich put it quite well in his book To Save America:

To put it plainly, America is facing an existential threat -- and it comes from a movement that fundamentally rejects the traditional American conception of who we are. No longer, in the Left's view, are we the Americans of the frontier, the sturdy, independent farmers; no longer are we America the capitalist colossus serving as the arsenal of democracy; no longer are we the America that believes our liberty is an unalienable right that comes from God. All this, the secular socialist wants to deny -- and is denying -- in favor of a secular, bureaucratic society guided by government elites.​

I think more and more people are beginning to recognize this...

 

Hillary Clinton was the original birther.

 

Gee, you don't suppose a nazi confederate did that.

 

And she debunked the claim and dropped it. Trump made it a religion.

 

"We?"

You approve of this vandalism?

 

The prog/liberal crowd are simply trying to re write their own history. As if democrats never were the progenitors of Jim Crowe. I fail to understand their argument that segregation was a southern institution, as if it wasn't southern democrats who actually implemented it. It was Woodrow Wilson who is truly responsible for this historic aberration. So Wilson and the northern dems forced segregation at the federal level. Should we now erase Woodrow, et al from the history maps and monuments of the country as well?

This is specifically the problem. The symbols of hate were developed, and nurtured by the very folks who are now attempting to destroy them to cover the own legacy and whitewash over their complicity in establishing the plantation as realized in the early 20th century. Now, they are tired of trying to deal within the constitution, and are attempting to obliterate anything that may have an association to historic "racists". All in the name of subverting the US constitution and it's protections. Why? Because it's what they want. An authoritarian collectivism that requires your assimilation, not your inputs.