The forming of demons and devils in each generation

A person is brought into God's World. As the person grows, that person learns different things in life. And one of those things is how to bring accusations against God.

IF God was Love, then why does HE allow cancer?
IF God was Love, then why has HE not given the cure to illnesses?
IF God was Love, then why did HE let my baby brother die by a drunk driver?
IF God was Love, then why did HE let me suffer so much?


These are only a few of the accusations humans has brought to God so far. There are many more accusations only the individual would know. And in their heart, sometimes in the evening or when they are alone, they lay in bed pondering how God could be so 'heartless' and cruel.


Such thoughts which come out of the heart, enter into the mind of that person and after the person accepts such thoughts, it becomes a 'high place' within that person's mind. Those thoughts which began from the heart then into the mind then into the high place in the mind is what can be called 'strongholds'.


With such accusative 'strongholds' demons and devils are birthed. Not only does it begin haunting the person who contrived the thought but the thought also influences others it comes into contact with. It begins shaping how the person responds to certain situations. It begins to shape how a person speaks, behaves, wills and desires. Their hopes and desires and dreams soon can begin to become influenced by their own heart made thoughts.

When they at first wanted to be a fireman, they may then want to become a police officer so they can carry a gun.

When at first they wanted to be a Judge, they may then want to become a defensive attorney to defend those whom they KNOW are wrong.


By their own thoughts which they willingly made and willingly accepted, their lives are reshaped by their own 'demonic thoughts'.


The word 'Satan' means 'accuser'. For such persons who daily think of accusations towards God, they are as 'Satans'.


And to think that within only 25 years of living or so, a person can become so antagonistic and accusative towards God. And with the remaining years left to live, he/she will have to live with their own heart and mind made demons and devils until they begin to reshape their thinking.

It is very easy for a child to accept Christ into their lives while still young. But after the 'demons and devils' are formed by the person and then becomes a real thought living within their own minds, it is much more difficult to want to accept Christ into their life.

 

A very interesting thread, delade. Though personally, I see the accusations as justified. Living with those demons and devils is not necessarily the problem for the individual. Or at least, not for one such as myself.
The problem comes from not having those hopes, desires, and dreams fulfilled. I am sure there are decent enough reasons for others to become antagonistic and accusative.
Thank you for creating the thread.

 

True.. So if you would want those desires to be fulfilled, what prevents you? Are you accusing God as preventing you from living your life?

Do you really think that God is going to stop you from doing what you want when the rest of the world is doing just that?

Why and what is making you feel as if God has you in some kind of 'prison'? If you have monies, buy the travel tickets. If you have monies, call the escorts. If you have the monies, do as you seek. But know that you will be held accountable in the 'end', and will have to give account in front of all your Righteous family members, of all of your works.

And when I say Righteous Family members, I mean the entirety of your lineage. YOU are not a product of yourself. You are a product of your past family's lives and works while they were and are alive. It isn't cheap to raise children you know.

You are alive today because every family member that came before you earned their livelihood with sweat and work well enough for you to be here today.

Do you really think YOU would be here today if any of your past family members wanted 'THEIR' demonic and devilish desires to be fulfilled and or was fulfilled?

I don't know of anytime in History when living was 'Free' of charge.

I don't know how old you are or if you have any family still living, but where are YOU going to be living when you become a senior? In a senior home?

As King Solomon wrote, I'm paraphrasing now, 'Live and enjoy Life because to enjoy is a gift of God but know that you will have to give account of everything you did.'

 

Relgious people always move the goalpost. They claim that their deity is a great guy, but when you offer reasons why he's not, they remove him from discussion. Religious people are unwilling to discuss their religion logically.

 

GOD AND BIG ROCKS


The "if God is good why is there evil? Therefore there can be no good God" freshman philosophy 301 topic was debunked by non-secular philosophers decades ago. It is no different than the question can "God make a rock bigger than God can lift?," "Can God both always have existed and never have existed?", Can God make a married bachelor?" or "Can God make light exist in absolute darkness?" - or pick any other 2 opposites and claim God not can be or do both, so therefore there can be no God.

The question "How can there be a God that is all powerful, all knowing and perfectly good, yet suffering exist?" is no different from the question: "Can God make a rock bigger than God can lift?"

The logical flaw in all these these questions is they each just skip past the esssentila first premise, which is to assert God does nor does not exist, where God is defined as "omniscient, omnipotent and benevolent." If you begin with "Can God (fill in the blank with anything)?" and the answer is "yes" because inherently "omniscient and omniscient" inherently can do anything by that definition. The alternative to being by asserting "omniscience and omnipotence" cannot exist, so therefore before you start you assert there is not God. If "omniscient" and "omnipotent" can not exist, then there is no reason to even address "benevolence."

If "omniscient and omnipotent" can exist, only then can you address "benevolence," however then benevolence becomes irrelevant to the question of whether God exists - and convert to "If there is a God, is God (or gods) purely benevolent to my moral standards?" Yet since you are not omniscient and omnipotent, what do you really know compared to an omniscience and omnipotent being for which you are less intelligent than a virus is in relation to me?

What is THE GREAT issue of religion to some people is philosophical kindergarten in that it is it logically flawed.

 

Upset that there isn't the perfect Santa Claus God? Is that what you would want from a God - to 100% control everything and everyone on everything? Why not just put you into a dream state coma of perfect dreams then? Or just give you happiness via a happy insanity?

This is the God you want, right?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?
Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
I wait for delivery each day until three,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?
I'm counting on you, Lord, please don't let me down.
Prove that you love me and buy the next round,
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a night on the town?

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

 

Epicurus said it best 2,300 years ago:

If He is willing and is unable to remove evil, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?

No Christian has yet to answer Epicurus without resorting to hand-waving.

 

That's just nonsense. It asserts God has a duty to humans or there can be no God. Do you dedicate your existence to doing good every instant in all ways you can? Even if not God, you could always be helping people as much as possible. Obviously you don't, since you are instead spending time not helping people while on this forum. Therefore, you can not exist.

 

Thank you JakeJ, I enjoyed this.
Though yes, obviously it is a disappointment. But life is filled with such things. In a sense a deity like this would be ideal. Though I am not sure how this sentence relates, could you please explain what you meant?

"Is that what you would want from a God - to 100% control everything and everyone on everything?"

 

I want to give you a decent reply, this is a very interesting conversation, delade. Please give me some time and I will send you a private message.

 

More hand-waving. You can't answer the charge on its own terms, so you resort to theological presumptions.

 

Not so much control and rule 'everyone' and 'everything' but at least have True Authority coming forth from Seats of Authority. Remember that God IS King of Kings and Lord of Lords. HE IS Ruler of Rulers... So at least Righteous Decrees and Righteous Judgments coming out of seats of Authority instead of all this running around business with corrupt accusations and corrupt bribes being accepted to pervert Justice.

I mean, if the Police are hired to keep the community safe and well, and if they are being 'paid' for their job duties to be kept, then why do no police show up when you need one and why do they let the criminals walk free while the innocent has to pick up the pieces that the criminals broke?

You have people loitering, you have people urinating and defecating all over the public places and when and if you tell them that their behavior is unjust, they jump all over you and crack you once or twice just to let you know who's boss.. Then when and if you call police and if and when they arrive they see what is going on, they tell the one who called to go away, that there is nothing anyone can do about it, that it is a free land and that he is a free person and then as you walk on and the cars are revving by you at screeching noises, the police just make sure you get out of that area to not disturb everyone else who are in there. The police see the screeching cars and motorcycles yet they think the one who called them are worse than the ones who are speeding down the roadway.

How is that 'just' and safe for the public in any true sense of the word?

So no, God shouldn't make the urinater or defecater change his ways if he is unwilling, but God should definitely take Authority over the paid jobs which are to protect and serve the Community.

Romans 13:1
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."

Romans 13:3-7
" 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour."

Even God declares that we pay 'tribute' for them.

Tribute = Taxes?

http://biblehub.com/text/romans/13-6.htm

I mean pretty soon, if nothing gets done, even the tax payers themselves will become law breakers.

I mean what citizen in ANY Community takes any joy or delight in a Law Breaker?
Definitely NOT the Just.

And so every person will have the freedom to choose to either do Good, as pertaining to Law, or to do evil, as pertaining to Law. But at least there will be a Righteous Ruler ruling instead of corrupt ones.

Why should anyone fear having a Righteous Ruler ruling?

Could it be because they want to get away with crime and they feel that the Righteous Ruler will not excuse their crime?

Could it be because they do not want to be responsible or be held responsible for their OWN actions and/or works?

If you do good, why should you need to have any fear?? They are not going to bother with you. They are going to bother with the wrong doers.

And so the just and innocent and righteous can go their way, enjoy their day, their evening, and Praise and thank God for all that safety that they are in instead of wondering if they are going to be the next victim to someone's crime.

What can be so 'bad' and burdensome about that? A Righteous Ruler would enable Law Abiders to live a much more fuller and Freer Life.

John 10:10
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

And one golden part of Life is Peace. The thief cometh to steal, kill and destroy your Peace as well as your valuables and Goods.


Being Lawful and being Peaceful go hand in hand.

Noone can say I am Peaceful yet Illegal.


AND there are Legal ways to become a citizen if desired. If not, there ARE Peaceful ways of getting them back home safely.

And all these CAN be done if a Righteous Ruler, or Righteous rulers, were ruling.

Remember that the 'wrath of the sword' are for those who are unwilling to work with The Righteous Ruler and who are 'wrong' doers in the Community.

So yes, a person could still retain their 'atheist' status and if they are Law Abiding, they should have nothing to fear, as far as Laws of the Land are concerned.

So yes, homosexuals could still retain their 'homosexual' statuses and if they are Law Abiding, they should have nothing to fear, as far as Laws of the Land are concerned.

As far as all the other 'personal' desires, I guess it would have to a 'majority vote' to have A Law be enacted and defended and kept. If the 'majority vote' desires underage drinking, then they might change the drinking age. If the 'majority vote' desires non aged sexual relationships, such as an adult with a minor, then they might allow for such to be accepted and 'legal'. Something to this nature.

Because today, it is 'legal' to marry the same gender. However since when was it Legal to 'sue' a business owner for not wanting to do business with certain persons? I thought private business owners had a right to choose with what customers they wanted do business with....There is no Law stating that Private Business Owners have to serve EVERYBODY that wants their service.

Private is private just as a private apartment renter has the right to refuse entry to anyone to their apartment for whatever reason, except for certain Law pertaining matters.

And for the Private Business Owner having to lose their business on the basis of a discrimination or racist or bigoted sentencing, is wrong. There are many other Private Businesses which do not mind serving everyone.

The Private Business might lose a customer or 2, but another Private Business will gain that 1 or 2 that was lost.

If the Private Business owner's OWN Peace and Sanctity of Life is being destroyed because their own Personal Lifestyle convictions are being brought before Judge and Jury, then to cause any disruption to their well being is as a thief who comes to steal, kill and destroy.

Children have a right to not have to be afraid to attend school because of the bullies which might be there waiting for him/her.

Parents have a right to know what is being taught to their children and what is being learned by their children.

etc.....

 

So not so much, Lord will you buy me a Mercedes Benz or color T.V. or a night on the town but rather, Lord will you set up Righteousness and Justice so that those who have Mercedes Benz's and color T.V's and who are out on town are safe to enjoy their lives in Peace and Safety?

And if all this sounds a bit corney and funny, well, it's because there is no Righteous Ruler, yet.

Which goes right back to the very beginning of Today. Why were so many crimes committed, why has so many thefts occurred, why has so many children been bullied, why has so many people being 'murdered', why has so many traffic signs been disregarded?


Why has nothing, for the better, been done?

Why are there more persons saying strange things and claiming they are hearing strange things?

Why are more and more persons 'repeating' the 'strange thing' they are hearing?

If you hear something 'strange', by all means, DON'T repeat it... That will only make you MORE 'delusional'/mentally imbalanced. But don't 'deny' it if someone asks or if you desire to share that with another. Denial can hurt you also.

The Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter said he was 'hearing' persons giving him certain 'orders/actions' to do and take.

 

Would YOU like to have discussions on any matters on how YOU are not a great guy or girl? Or how ANOTHER person is not a great guy or girl?? This is all negative talking regardless of whom you are speaking of.

Most people don't' know enough about any 'so-called gods' to even hold conversations as to their attributes and personal qualities to hold any kind of conversation.

Let's take for example Vishnu of India.

What is known of the inward 'character' of Vishnu? What are his/her qualities? What does she/he say for herself/himself? Are men putting words into Vishnu's mouth or did Vishnu himself/herself speak words to the men?? Did Brahma speak any words to his adherents or did the followers of Brahma make words of wisdom on the behalf of Brahma?

So for every 'so called god' out there, what did 'they' say for themselves?? Can you provide a few lines out of their sacred texts which they spoke on their own behalf rather than having man speak for them? Obviously if Vishnu or Brahma and the religion of Hinduism comes from Vishnu or Brahma, then Sacred Texts would have been handed down to man by Them. Not man handing up the Sacred Texts to them.

But as far as any Living Person is concerned.. Would you like to sit there and talk with someone who ONLY has negative things to say about an Individual or Group?

I mean, is there 1 positive thing an atheist or non believer can say about God?? 1?

Besides, where in The Holy Bible does it mention ANYTHING about the devil or Satan 'HATING' GOD WITH A SPITEFUL HATRED?

These sorts of ideas and notions come out of Hollywood, NOT The Holy Bible.

Man-made commandments, of what and how the 'devil' is like, as doctrines of The Holy Bible.

#1: Where in The Holy Bible does it talk about any 'war' that occurred in Heaven 'BEFORE' The Creation?

#2: Where were the rest of the 'fallen angels' in Genesis?

#3: What are the definitions of 'devil' and 'satan' and 'dragon' and 'serpent'?

If you ever come across a person who has that spiteful hatred towards God, remember, that person is only a person, not a fallen angel. Not in the the sense that he/she was ever in The Kingdom of Heaven in the Heavens. You know what I mean, hopefully.

Are the streets in The Kingdom of Heaven really made of Gold?
Are there really Pillars of Pearl?

Do the other angels 'fly' around in that Kingdom?
Do they walk with sandals or are they bare footed?
Do they have many different colors for robes? What are the clothes like in The Kingdom of Heaven?
What are the 'harps' made of? If they even have harps. Do they have 'harps'?
Do they have a 'piano'?
Do they have any sports or recreation in The Kingdom of Heaven?

If he/she was truly a 'fallen angel', he/she would know these things.

If they are in The Kingdom of Heaven, do they space travel in spaceships?
Do they need 'head gear' if they enter into a different part of the Universe?
How long in duration was the 'fall' from The Kingdom of Heaven to Earth?
How did the fallen angels survive such a 'fall'?
Did it hurt when they landed from their fall?
Did they suffer any broken bones or such?

Did they use their 'wings' to stay above water while Noah was in the ark?
Where did they 'fly' to when the flood appeared when Noah and even the birds were in the ark?
How did they fly back?
Where did they land when they came back to earth?
How long after the flood subsided did they return?
Do they get tired of flying?
How did they 'fly' back into the Presence of God in His Kingdom?
Did they use to be allowed to fly back and forth? From the Heavens to the Earth to the Heavens to the Earth?
When did God shut the Gates to His Kingdom to them?
What year?
Who was ruling at that time?
Was the United States around?
Who was the King of France or England or Rome or Greece?

Did they have to acquire the taste for foods such as steaks and burgers?
Did they have to learn how to have sexual intercourse with human beings?
Did they NOT know how to have intercourse before they learned? (this part sounds like all children who do not know how to have intercourse until they learn).

Can they fly faster than airplanes?
Can they fly further than airplanes?
Can they get to Rome today if they were in China with their wings?
When did they lose their wings?
Did they lose their wings?
Do they keep their wings in safe keeping until they are needed for use?

Do they have 4 wings as the Cherubims have or 6 wings as the Seraphims have?

Or are the persons who today consider themselves 'fallen angels' just 'delusional' and in need of help?

etc...


So then a person can say, 'They are NOT human beings'.

Okay. Then how about the other Biblical verses about the devil and or Satan?

Does Lucifer claim such boldness to God in spirit and not in bodily form?

Isaiah 14:13
"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

Well then, no human being will even be aware of when this will even happen, if Lucifer is a spirit.

And how does a spirit have a heart? 'For thou hast said in thine HEART I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.'

Which is more deceiving? The Heart or Lucifer?

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"

Is Lucifer's Heart to be blamed and not him, himself?

Are the hearts of all wrong doers to be blamed instead of the wrong doers?

Who has the ability to change hearts?


Is this Lucifer in Isaiah the one who fell out of the sky onto the Earth in Genesis? Where are the others?


How did this Lucifer live so long in 1 body?
Is his body 'immortal' until ......
Are all their bodies 'immortal' until...
Do their bodies NOT have blood or flesh? Do they NOT have DNA?
Do they not need their inward organs to work properly to survive, if they have bodies?
Do they NOT need to breathe or drink water or eat food?

Does their heart pump blood?
Does their heart need oxygen?
Does their heart work like every other human heart?
Do they have special 'angelic' hearts that only Angels have?
Do they NOT have Aortas and/or Ventricles?

 

Do they have spleens, kidneys and livers?
Do they need them just like other human beings need them?
Can you tell a 'fallen angel' if you saw one standing next to a normal human?

What would differentiate them?

Besides the 'curses' which might come out of their mouths, what other physical attributes would differentiate them?

Lunacy? Erraticisms? Huffing and Puffing? Stareful Glarings? Blood shot eyes? Fuming?


If you saw a 5 foot 5 inch tall male huffing and puffing with stareful glarings and blood shot eyes, fuming, would you take him seriously or just walk on by and pray for his well being?

Would a 6 foot 2 strong built male be intimidated by such a 'devil'?


So maybe Lucifer is a 6 foot 2 strongly built male. Who is huffing and puffing and stareful glaring with blood shot eyes with fumes coming out of his mouth and nose. Well... Then what?

Would he be immune to Pepper Spray?




Okay.. Then let's say that Lucifer is a well spoken 6 foot 2 well built male who never ages, never has to drink water, does NOT have normal human bodily functionings. Let's say Lucifer is a fallen angel in the form of a human being but the body is not really even in working condition. The heart does not pump, the veins do not transport blood, the lungs are not taking in oxygen, the spleen, liver, kidneys are not in working order. Then he would be as a walking Zombie who is well spoken and charming enough to smile and offer deceits?

So what is the danger of having such a Lucifer around?

According to The Holy Bible he will make all to receive the mark of the beast and if not then okay to be murdered.

A human being seeking the Praise and Glory and Worship due to God Almighty Alone.

Is this considered to be 'derangement'? 'Psychosis'? 'Delusional'? 'Self Centered'? What might professionals call this kind of thought and life?


Question? How tall might they, the fallen angels, be in their natural bodies?

If I was to see a fallen angel flying overhead at 30 miles high, how tall must he/she be to be noticeable from ground level? If he/she was 7 foot tall, how small would he/she appear to be from 30 miles below. Would he/she still appear 7 feet or would he/she appear to be a few inches?

An airplane when grounded seems alot larger when you are standing next to it then when you see it fly overhead.

When you see a passenger plane, the amount of persons that it is carrying would be more than what a local restaurant would be able to hold at one time.

 

And also remember that it was YOU yourself with your acceptances which formed such demons and devils. And of course, if you yourself accepted, then it must mean that you enjoyed of it. Of course every human being will form some demon and or devil. No human being is immune to temptations of the world with all of its offerings. Sex for some, money for others and still other things for others. But the severity and the depth to which the individual takes it is how much of a personal struggle he/she may go through when trying to get out of their own downward spiral.

Maybe not downward for you personally, since you are enjoying it as well as those who you are partaking with. It takes 2 to do the tango. The demonic/devilish things in life usually involves at least 2 individuals. And the more that jump on board to the end results of such doings, the more it is called 'okay' and 'normal' and even 'teachable' in Grade schools.

 

who is Epicurus? A sophite ?

 

As far as Elementary level sex Education is concerned, they should be allowed to learn about sex on their own with the guidance of their parents and not through the instructions of a grade teacher which will not be in their lives the next school year.

If 'legalizing' Parental disassociation is sought after, then it is not so much a personal demon or devil but a demon/devil that wants to 'rule' over many.

And these demons/devils are also formed and accepted and enjoyed through personal choices and acceptances.

 

KAMALAYKA said: ↑
Epicurus said it best 2,300 years ago:

If He is willing and is unable to remove evil, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?

No Christian has yet to answer Epicurus without resorting to hand-waving.
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The Works : Volume 2 Lucius Caecilius Firmianus Lactantius

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The Satanic Epic: Neil Forsyth


Epicurus on Good and Evil:
" It is vain to ask the gods for what we can procure for ourselves. A blissful and eternal being is not troubled in itself and brings no trouble to any other being. So it is exempt from motives of anger and favor, for every such motive implies weakness."

" Let us not accuse the flesh as the cause of great evils, nor should we blame our suffering on outward things. Let us rather seek the causes of this distress within our minds. Let us cut off every vain craving and hope for things which are fleeting, and let us become wholly masters of ourselves. For a person is unhappy either from fear or from unlimited and vain desires. But restraining these may secure the contentment of reason. Confront every desire with this question: What shall I gain by gratifying this desire and what shall I lose by suppressing it?"


Epicurus on Science:
" To begin with, nothing is created out of what does not exist. For in that case anything could have arisen out of anything else, without the need of something to begin with. Furthermore, if that which disappears were actually destroyed and became non-existent, everything would have perished, as things would have been dissolved into nothing. In fact, the sum total of things was always such as it is now and as such it will remain for ever. For there is nothing into which it can change. For outside the sum of things there is nothing which could enter into it and bring about the change."

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" If He is willing and is unable to remove evil, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God;

if He is able and unwilling, He isenvious, which is equally at variance with God;

if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God;

if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils?

Or why does He not remove them?"


Could this last quote also pertain to man's unwillingness to move forward and correct mistakes and make changes?


" It is vain to ask the gods for what we can procure for ourselves. A blissful and eternal being is not troubled in itself and brings no trouble to any other being. So it is exempt from motives of anger and favor, for every such motive implies weakness."


" And since pleasure is our first and native good, for that reason we do not choose every pleasure whatsoever, but frequently pass over many pleasures when a greater annoyance ensues from them. And often we consider pains superior to pleasures when submission to the pains for a long time brings us as its consequence a greater pleasure. Therefore, while all pleasure is good, because it is naturally part of us, not all pleasure is worth choosing—just as all pain is an evil but all pain is not to be shunned. All these matters must be judged by measuring one against another, and by looking at the conveniences and inconveniences."


Could you and would you be willing to put the blame of your evils upon your very own first and native good?


James 4:1-4
"From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."


Do you think the word adulterer/adulterous is only sexual in nature?

Adulterer: 3432. moichos Perhaps a primary word; a (male) paramour; figuratively, apostate -- adulterer.

Isaiah 65:2
"I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;"

5637 [e] sō-w-rêr; סוֹרֵ֑ר a rebellious

away, backsliding, rebellious, revolting, slide back, stubborn, withdrew

A primitive root; to turn away, i.e. (morally) be refractory -- X away, backsliding, rebellious, revolter(-ing), slide back, stubborn, withdrew.


2 Thessalonians 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

falling away first:
646 [e] apostasia ἀποστασία apostasy

http://biblehub.com/text/2_thessalonians/2-3.htm

falling away, apostacy

Feminine of the same as apostasion; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy") -- falling away, forsake.


Adultery can be worshiping false gods.
Adultery can be defection from God's Truth.
Adultery can be sexual immorality.
Adultery can be haters of parents.
Adultery can be haters to good.
Adultery can be despising.
Adultery CAN AND IS ANYTHING AGAINST GOD.

Which can be Apostasy.
To lead someone away in the wrong way is to make them become an apostate or adulterer.

Matthew 5:32
"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

... causeth her to commit apostasy... and whosoever shall marry (have intercourse) her that is divorced commits apostasy.


Except the putting away of the wife be for the cause of 'FORNICATION' (not adultery), he will cause her to commit adultery.


Except the putting away of the wife is for the cause of 'FORNICATION', he will CAUSE her to commit ungodly, irreverence towards God.


Isaiah 65:2
"I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;"

5637 [e] sō-w-rêr; סוֹרֵ֑ר a rebellious

away, backsliding, rebellious, revolting, slide back, stubborn, withdrew

And of course, having fornication with another person's wife/husband is unGodly nonetheless.

How does a divorced woman commit adultery if she was divorced unlawfully according to God's Law?

He makes her to become, 'away, backsliding, rebellious, revolting, slide back, stubborn, withdrew' or basically 'Rebellious'.

And also which is in turn a 'falling away' to her first 'love' of marriage. which is 'apostasy'.

The 'man' she gave her heart to would have broken her heart and faith in love because he loved her not enough to work through the difficulties.

And who knows what could result if she gave him her virginity which she was saving for her life long love?


The preciousness of virginity could be destroyed in 2 ways. The free willing giving before marriage and/or the unlawful divorce made by the husband.


Men might NEVER understand the importance of the woman's virginity to the woman. Only women and God know what virginity is worth to women.

 

Men might only see it as another romping upon the hay, but women might see their virginity as a token of Forever and Purity. God loves His daughters too, let's not forget. Women are created differently than males when it comes to their perception of Forever and Love.

And even with non virgins, their hearts are still as hopeful as when they quietly prayed for that perfect Prince to be the perfect Princess with.

To romp around with no thoughts to the woman and her future is making her more and more like a harlot, destroying all the good in her as well as in the male.

Both genders lose very Good qualities when they give themselves away so cheaply.
1 night in a motel or hotel is not worth nearly as much as 60 years.

75 years of marriage is considered a Diamond Anniversary.

And when and if a married couple gets to that Diamond Anniversary, I believe God takes that 'diamond wedding ring' and creates a brand new Heavenly star.

50 years, or the Golden Anniversary, the Marriage is being refined.
25 years, or the Silver Anniversary, the Marriage is being purified/polished.


Daniel 12:10
"Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

Proverbs 17:3 (ESV)
"The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold,
and the Lord tests hearts."


Psalm 66:10
"For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried."


Zechariah 13:9
"And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."

 

The harlot Rehab was made right by God - Purified- by helping the Israelite spies.

It is by good deeds that one is put right with God.

The OT has no problem with "romping around". Most, if not all, of the patriarchs "including Moses" either had other wives or concubines.

Premarital sex or (sex outside of marriage for men) is not Adultery.

 

I see. Well, I am alone at the moment. There isn't anyone to partake with, though I understand what you are saying.

 

You want me to say something nice about a mythical person. Why?

 

It is by good deeds a person can demonstrate or show God their faith.

Pleasing God and pleasing man and ourselves are 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things.

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more severely than others.

Galatians 1:10
"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."

Acts 15:27-29
"We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."


Keep yourselves in these and you shall be demonstrating your faith to God by keeping these good deeds.

Seek to please God first, man second.

There is no Law of God which says that Gentiles need to keep God's Laws to the Jews.

 

The question is the salvation formulation as presented by Jesus in the "Sermon on the Mount" ... not what Paul thought - someone who never knew Jesus while he was alive and who was not a member of the Church of Jerusalem (founded by the disciples and led by James).

This is the second time you have tried to avoid the words of Jesus in his most famous sermon by veering off on some other part of the Bible.

Why are you doing this ?

Jesus clearly states that one can be saved by works ... and that not all those who have "faith" will be saved.

Then you go off on some tangent about the Mosaic Laws of the OT (which are different from the Commands - and the good works Jesus talked about - the stuff that Jesus stressed).

You said you were interested in "the Truth". If this is true, then why are you trying so hard to avoid the words of Jesus ?