Why is Trump threatening to shut down our government?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Kaner88, Aug 24, 2017.

  1. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    He doesn't understand he's giving himself away when he talks about the correlation between race and intelligence. He might be able to get away with it if he just said some people are not as intelligent than others. But he needs his fantasy of a black underclass in the new sharecropper system.
     
  2. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    If you don't get it, you never will.

    I kinda predicted that wasn't a possibility, and sadly, I was correct.
     
  3. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Your solution to discriminatory hiring policies is to slash wages to serfdom levels instead of policies aimed at eliminating discriminatory policies.

    This line of thinking died with the John Birch Society, but have fun living back in the 50's.
     
  4. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More correctly, it would be a mixture of genetics and geography. "Race" is just another word for that, which is why so many American blacks claim African lineage by calling themselves "African-American".

    I don't know why you think this is racist, and will probably never know. Do you think it's racist to say that Africans have black skin?
     
  5. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    serfdom levels? I'm not advocating slashing any wages. I'm in favor of letting people, no matter who they are, work for a living so that they can obtain the necessary skills and experience required to command a livable wage.

    Slashing wages is what happens with minimum wage laws because if your labor isn't worth what the minimum wage is, then you are not allowed to work.
     
  6. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    And it's amazing you seem to forget that e
    You're assuming the current minimum wage level is placed inefficiently in favor of the seller in the labour market. Given that relative bargaining power and numerical disparity of the two parties, it is far more likely that minimum wage is priced too low.

    Read about monopsonies in a labor market.
     
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2017
  7. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    No. Black skin is just a description characteristic.
     
  8. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    same as intelligence.
     
  9. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Why do you think a racist minimum wage law in South Africa passed during Apartheid condemns all other minimum wage laws?

    Wouldn't it be more accurate of Walter Williams to say the racist roots of minimum wage laws in South Africa?
     
  10. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What does a monopsony have to do with minimum wage laws? It's not like McDonalds is the only employer that pays minimum wage. Applicants can go across the street to Burger King and find the same wage being offered to potential employees.

    What I am assuming is that if your labor is not worth ten dollars an hour, and the minimum wage is fifteen dollars an hour, then you're going to either go homeless or move someplace where it's legal for employers to hire you.

    Here's a fun thing to do if you ever entertain doubts as to the efficacy of racist democratic policies such as minimum wage laws. Here's a list of the ten cities with the highest wealth disparity. Let me know if you can find one with a republican mayor.
    https://www.fastcompany.com/3050320/the-10-us-cities-with-the-biggest-gap-between-rich-and-poor
     
  11. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's all much of a muchness no matter where they are passed. It's not that they are explicitly racist, but rather they produce similar results, and democrats know this. That knowledge is what makes them just as racist as Jim Crow or slavery laws.
     
  12. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    What is the ratio of applicants to employers? Do you think that is favors applicants? There was a comment earlier about hundreds of applicants waiting in the wings as a reason why employees should shut their mouths. Do you think this could be another advantage employers could use in putting downward pressure on wages?

    You are correct if that scenario is true, but assuming wage laws cause unemployment reveals how little understanding you have of labor markets, and how devoted you are to that classical economic supply and demand graph you learned about in ECON 101.

    Post Hoc Fallacy

    You even missed the reasoning the author gives, ". For one, they contain relatively more subsidized housing and services for the poor. On the other end of the spectrum, most cities are also home to the highest-value jobs in their regions, in sectors like finance, professional services, education, and technology."

    I don't see anything about racist minimum wage laws or Republican mayors.
     
  13. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    This is the most moronic thing I've ever read on the forum. Have a good night.
     
  14. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course it's something employers use to their advantage. If you have one job and a hundred applicants, you're going to pay a lot less than if it was reversed with one employee, but you need a hundred more. Simple supply and demand. Raising the minimum wage is going to negatively affect the former, but not the latter.

    It could be that I am incorrect, but I have no reason to assume I am thanks to the wonders of econ 101.

    Hell, you're the one that was talking about monopsomies as if they have any relation to minimum wage jobs.

    I only linked to that piece because it lists the ten cities with the highest wealth disparity. What the author has to say is irrelevant. For example, yes they have more subsidized housing and services for the poor. You want to have a bunch of homeless people camped out on your front lawn? Start a soup kitchen. If you build it, they will come. Most people would rather not be homeless so they simply move, which is why you end up with either a lot of rich people and a lot of poor people, or a nice healthy mix.

    Did I commit a post hoc fallacy? I don't think so because I did explain how minimum wage laws negatively effect people with low or no job skills on a micro level. A post hoc fallacy is assuming 'if X, then Y' without an underlying examination of why Y follows X. A post hoc fallacy is saying something like "Birds fly because they have beaks".
     
  15. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    25,730
    Likes Received:
    8,773
    Trophy Points:
    113
    How heavy? About 60lbs quite easily carried by one person under one arm and extremely easy carried by two people.
     
  16. Kaner88

    Kaner88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    314
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Why should our congress pay for a wall that mexico will be paying for?
     
  17. Kaner88

    Kaner88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    314
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Extremely little is controlled by government. School are run by school boards, which are members of the local community. They make the decisions, no one else.
     
  18. Kaner88

    Kaner88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,047
    Likes Received:
    314
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    If tunnels are so easily detected, why are there so many currently in use under the Mexican border. It may takes years to find them.
     
  19. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    66,645
    Likes Received:
    46,476
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure. Through the desert, then they jump 30 feet to the ground on the other side I suppose.
     
  20. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    • Insulting or personally attacking other posters (Rule 2)
    lol have you ever heard of a rope? <Rule 2>
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 26, 2017
  21. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Maybe Trump can convince him to pay for that unnecessary wall. He did say that Mexico would pay for it, din't he? Anybody
    believe that gibberish? If you did, then you believed that Trump is "smarter than the generals." ya?
     
  22. ibobbrob

    ibobbrob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    12,744
    Likes Received:
    3,136
    Trophy Points:
    113

    No, they don't have to jump. Climb down by rope. Done all the time.
     
  23. Texan

    Texan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2014
    Messages:
    9,126
    Likes Received:
    4,696
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How much of that school board control is influenced by the threat of withholding federal dollars? Maybe we need to end the practice of sending money to Washington, just to have them hold it over our heads to dance for it. We need to enforce the 10th Amendment and have balanced budget and term limit amendments. Otherwise, we will collapse under the weight of our government.
     
  24. Lesh

    Lesh Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2015
    Messages:
    42,206
    Likes Received:
    14,119
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So let's recap.

    You think skin color is an indicator of intelligence but you're not a racist and you think minimum wage laws ARE racist.

    Do you realize how insane you sound?
     
  25. amartin7889

    amartin7889 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Not only that, but minimum wage laws are as racist as slavery and Jim Crow.

    1) Slavery
    2) Jim Crow
    3) Minimum Wage

    This guy has to be a 4chan troll.
     

Share This Page