"Let Me Tell You Who Obama Pardoned" Trump Destroys Reporter Over Joe Arpaio Pardon

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I told the truth. But for your acts, where you vented against me, the poster, you have nothing to add.
    I was not born in time to fight in that war. Depending on where I then lived, I would join up with one of the two sides. Were I born in the North, probably joined them. Born in the South, I would have worn the gray.

    Abe himself admitted he was racist. If you study the man as deeply as I have, you won't act shocked.

    Snopes proves i am correct.

    http://www.snopes.com/did-lincoln-racism-equality-oppose/

     
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    yes, there are black racists too, not sure your point, I never said there was not, guess that talking point was shot down pretty quick
     
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  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every election I have voted in, from JFK till Trump has had people wanting the election tilted.

    Factually, nothing was gained from the Russians. Not one single thing was used by Trump. It therefore is a straw man.

    I don't see how meeting with a lawyer who is a Russian citizen amounts to official acts by the Russian Government.

    I read the report of early 2017 and for the life of me saw no proof. I saw claims. But claims are not proof. Proof is what you show that backs up the claims.

    Putin is right for Russia. I do not select their presidents or other leaders. It is not for me to call Russia corrupt. I like to make charges or claims based on proof located in evidence.

    I do not expect Putin to go all out for America. We don't for Russia.

    John McCain alleged Bush smeared him only later to apologize. It was not Rove nor Bush. McCain has his own baggage.

    Romney aside from being a very good standing member of my church is super honest. And he even gave the Democrats of MA a law of their liking. Romney was guilty of telling the truth. His crime? He said in a meeting that 47 percent of us don't pay federal income taxes. But he was accurate.

    Bigots hated Romney over him being in my church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. We are a very good people. We do so much good for this country along with the rest of the world.

    Right this minute. we are in the Houston area helping those in trouble there.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonderful that you admit to black racists. I feel one should not judge based on this color, white or black.

    However that is, I defend your right to hold thoughts that suit you. I don't like your thoughts, but I hold your right to hold those racist thoughts as sacred. As with speech.

    If we destroy over racism, down will come the Washington Monument, the Lincoln building and his statue and Jefferson's as well. Their home would be razed to please Democrats.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, I am native of CA, served in the US Army, voted for JFK and all Democrats including Carter then changed to republican.

    My parents were raised in OK. Grandpa was born in TX, Grandma was from Ark, but heck, you know all about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Grandma was a loyal Democrat. Grandpa would smack you silly over using racial pejoratives. Mom followed his lead with we kids. My issue was not disliking blacks, i did not know any of them. I went to school with whites, here in CA. We had no race riots. Our largest concern was the Pachucos who were Mexican gangsters. They may have wanted CA back.
     
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    Yet, Lincoln was racist.
     
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    What short memories lefties think everyone else has...Whenever someone criticized Obama they brought up something about Bush. I even read somewhere about the Trump bump on the Dow was because of Obama, but bring up the same about the Clinton economy being because of Bush (1) policies and you're daft. Both sides do this and it is really annoying. But if you are going to bring up something about a single pardon, be prepared to have Obamas 300+ pardons that he did in his final week of office thrown back into your face.
     
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    If the DOJ decides to incarcerate city officials for violating immigration laws a later different President could easily consider pardoning them.That is exactly the same concept. Political pardon in this case reversed a political witch hunt by the lower court. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    Don't care - Don't support pardons unless their is proof that the person was innocent of the crime in the first place - so I didn't agree with many of Obama's pardons.

    You are under the mistaken conclusion that there can only be two sides to a story. Time for you to think outside the party line box.
     
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    exactly, now commuting a sentence that was unjust I support

    but pardoning a criminal before they even go to trial.. crazy

    last time a republican President did that was Nixon's Pardon....
     
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    if Trump bought a slave tomorrow his supports would say, yeah, but let me tell you about past Presidents
     
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    What they're really asking is "where was your personal outrage at Obama when he dishonestly abused his authority on many, many occasions?" It's fair to ask if you should be given credibility if you only perform selective outrage that supports your ideology.

    I would hope you can understand that point.
     
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    Your red herring need refrigeration.
     
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    And I'm sure there are people who mean it that way. Unfortunately, many also use the argument of hypocrisy as an excuse for their own double standards. Too often it is the accusation of selective outrage in order to justify selective outrage.
     
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    Well, the ratings were higher! Nothing like a great crisis to help Trump with his ratings.
     
  16. PrincipleInvestment

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    Well, think about the alternatives to citing Obama. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, LBJ ... Democrats don't seem to like it when anyone draws contrasts between a GOP administration, and one of their own. As soon as Obama is criticized, Bush becomes the reply. Hipocrisy so often cited in debates, requires contrast. Add to that, the DNC's 2016 platform revolved around "preserving Obamas legacy" ...
     
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    Couldn't Trump just point to "Nannygate"?
     
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    Absolutely true. And Trumpers do the same to Obama. Which is why I balked at the proposal that we don't hear about Obama all that much now that Trump is in the White House.
     
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    So much of what's happening in DC deals with the policies of the Obama administration, that it's hard not to talk about him. ACA, immigration, N Korea, and Iran, all still being debated in DC. Just like how we talk about how "Bush got us here" we discuss where "Obama left us" to finally come round to where "Trump is headed". Kind of unavoidable IMO.
     
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    ----

    Everyone gets pulled over near the Southern border, not just Latinos. I was pulled over once as well--near the first rest stop up from the border.
     
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    But you're an owl. And you were driving. Did you think nobody would notice?
     
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    That's species racism!
     
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    Appointed cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the president, regardless of who the president is.

    And what rule of law is being trashed for "political reasons"? Since the president has absolute power to pardon during his term in office. And since you and your fellow ilk have so much respect for the law (I am laughing while typing that!) and claim that this is "trash the rule of law for political reasons", then you have nothing to worry about since surely the American people will reward your side handsomely at the voting booth in 2018 right?

    Can you answer that Tommy? And try to avoid mentioning talk radio, and/or Fox News(I know it's really really hard)
     
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    It's not. He got his butt whooped by the department of justice and civil rights division.

    He's just your typical white thug with a badge. That's all.
    And he got a long list of how he thugged around.
    From election law violations, ignoring child rapists, and a stages assassination plot.

    He cost the people millions and million and millions in damages with all the lawsuits he lost.
     
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    You do not know that.
    I do not know that.
    There is certainly circumstantial evidence the Russians assisted.
    The investigations should reveal the truth.
     

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