Russia says it's T14 Armata tank can fight on Mars.

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  1. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh?

    Vietnam was ****ed from Washington.

    We never "lost" an engagement.
     
  2. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But yeah, I'm tired.

    I moved across my state Tuesday, have been helping care for my dying father since Wednessday, & landed a job today.

    I'm a bit bushed.
     
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    I'd rather be a bit reaganed than bushed.
     
  4. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What?
     
  5. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NVRMND, I got it.
     
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    So very tired :sleepy:
     
  7. Just_a_Citizen

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    Yep.

    TTYL.
     
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    Considering the results of their last attempt to launch a mere space probe, I don't think they ought to try sending their shiny new tanks out there.

    I could see Putin going for a photo op, though.
     
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    "We"... So, you're telling us you are an American so hopelessly deluded that you think the Apollo missions were faked?

    Here: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/

    Check out the Image Library. Have a look at the sheer number of photos just from Apollo 11 alone. Ponder their detail and consistency.
     
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    You can go ahead and look up the word levity
     
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    Launch of the Buran spacecraft



    Scheme - how it works.

     
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    Russian Mars rovers were part of the automatic Martian stations that were to be delivered to the surface of Mars in 1971 by descent vehicles of automatic interplanetary stations "Mars" (within the M-71 series):

    The descent vehicle Mars-2 crashed on November 27, 1971 with an unsuccessful attempt at a soft landing.
    the descent vehicle Mars-3 made a soft landing on December 2, 1971
     
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    You have Apaches, they have Black Sharks. They have more than you.
    In Yugoslavia, Apaches got zero tank kills and had to be withdrawn from combat.
    In the invasion of Iraq they also took heavy casualties.

    As tank killers, helicopters proved not to be the answer. Although we vaunted them as the 8:1 tank killers that would make all the difference, they turned out not to be.




    In WW2, the Russian air force outnumbered the Luftwafe 10:1.
    But most of them were taken out on the ground in a surprise attack.

    And that is the norm for most wars.

    All US air forces in Europe can expect to explode on the runway
    Every single aircraft you own is in range of Russian artillery. Every single one.
    You cannot stage for an invasion, you cannot mobilise or build troop formations.
    The idea of you invading Russia is quite comical. Let alone conquering Moscow in 48 hours. It took you 20 years to defeat Saddam. 20 years.

    So yes you have a way more impressive air force than the Russians, (though not in CAS aircraft department, sorry). Unfortuntely aircraft are of little use against SAM equipped targets.
    Again in Yugoslavia you failed to destroy a single tank.


    Ivan's tanks can shoot through an Abrams armour at 8km.
    You can't match that and you can't get close to matching that with your under-gunned Abrams. Which simply put has the weakest armament in NATO. I appreciate you make Silver Bullets. Very effective sabot rounds, but sabots lose power over range.
    The Abrams as stands can't fit a bigger gun. After the Gulf War planners realised it was undergunned. So they upgraded to 120mm. But only a stubby one. Bigger would have required a new tank turret.
    It's still undergunned compared to other tank designs.


    Soviet armour is better than your armour. Higher tech. Much higher tech.
    The best tank armour tech you have is a clone of their T64 armour and you only have that welded on the front turret armour of a few of your tanks. They are just multiple generations of tank defences ahead of you. 50+ years.
    I don't honestly think that anyone in the world actually produces worse tanks than you do. Bottom of the league table.

    I assume that Abrams crew is as well trained and battle experienced as any other tank crew in the world.
    I assume the same of the Russians.


    Yes you beat Saddam. Yes Russia beat Georgia.
    We like to fight enemies we out class.
    You don't outclass the Russians. And in the specific arena of tanks, no one else does either.

    In technology terms it's quite an easy one to work out. He who designs last, wins.
    The most recent design is by and large always going to be the superior one.
     
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    Hard to tell with text. :psychoitc:
     
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    Very true tripped me Up Before 2
     
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    The more drones you use, the more people will hack them.
    Iran already does so. Others will follow.

    Drones give temporary advantage. The arms race will counter them if it hasn't already. No military advantage is permanent.
     
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    What on Earth?
     
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    We'll bring war to Mars. It's the human condition.
     
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    O2 bottles on the motor deck ;-)
     
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    US haughtiness comes before the bad awaking ... often enough proofed in US war history, eh? ;-)
     

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