<Mod Warning> Kelly denouces politics then gets political

Because I'm a Republican. And you can't find any posts from me criticizing or denigrating or indicating a lack of support for the Republicans in Congress.

I don't parrot any left wing talking points. What I do is oppose the fraud in the Oval Office. Someone as "educated" as you doesn't know that being a NeverTrumper doesn't make you a "leftist, Democrat, progressive, whatever". You are obviously not the educated man you claim to be.

Your posts are sad.

 

Some people seem to have awfully narrow idea what constitutes a Democrat or a Republican. Someone doesn't have to agree with you and President Dumbo to be a Republican, you know. In fact, given the massive number of Americans each of these parties represents, you really can't expect them to be narrow at all, but very broad and inclusive.

 

You ended your post with "Obama and Clinton". Stop deflecting and get back on topic.

I don't know what "side" anyone said is wrong. I know Trump lied. You know it too. You just won't admit it.

 

Amazing that you have to point this out.

 

Then exactly what are you doing on the thread?

If Trump did *not* call the widow to denigrate her husband and his service then Rep Wilson is lying.

If Rep Wilson is lying then Trump was correct in saying she fabricated a lie about what he said.

And Trump *did* bring up Obama not calling Kelly in response to a question from a reporter - a part of the MSM!

So, again, exactly what *are* you trying to accomplish on the thread? Denigrating Trump over nothing? And you are a Republican?

 

No one asked him about Kelly's son. They asked him why he hadn't called any of the Niger families. And he told the reporter that Obama didn't always call either, that Obama didn't call Kelly!

You are truly full of hate. It's your Trump Derangement Syndrome coming to the fore!

 

You're right. No one asked him about Kelly's son. He shared a private conversation with them. No, he wasn't asked at that time about calling the Niger families when he said that.

 

Here you go. But if it makes you better convincing yourself I'm not a Republican, that's fine by me. I don't even know who you are and know you'll continue this childish game forever.

 

Mod Warning- Stay on topic. Further off topic posts will result in thread bans.

 

He did *NOT* share a private conversation about Kelly's son BECAUSE THERE *WAS* NO CONVERSATION. Obama never made one to disclose!

Let's look at what NBC said. That should be a good source for you!
go here: www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-s-false-claim-about-obama-fallen-soldiers-n811206

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President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday that former President Barack Obama didn't call the families of fallen service members.

"If you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls — a lot of them didn't make calls — I like to make calls when it's appropriate," Trump said at a news conference in the Rose Garden when asked about why he had not addressed the recent deaths of American troops in Niger.

However, a former senior Obama administration disputed Trump's claim.

"President Trump's claim is wrong," the ex-official said. "President Obama engaged families of the fallen and wounded warriors throughout his presidency through calls, letters, visits to Section 60 at Arlington, visits to Walter Reed, visits to Dover, and regular meetings with Gold Star Families at the White House and across the country."
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1. Trump was asked by a reporter at a news conference in the Rose Garden why he had not addressed the deaths in Niger.
2. Trump said many of the President's didn't make calls.
3. Then Obama's spokesman says Obama *engaged* the families of the fallen. Note carefully that Trump never said "engaged" or "contacted", he said CALLED!

Conclusion: 1. NBC is putting forth FALSE NEWS, as usual.
2. You don't know what you are talking about!

 

Kelly said yesterday that the President asked him in private if Obama called him after his son died. His answer was no, and he made it clear yesterday that he was not criticizing Obama for not calling him.

The rest of your post has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Why have you completely veered off the subject of Trump sharing the details of his private discussion with Kelly? That didn't happen in the Rose Garden.

 

I didn't say Trump called the widow to denigrate her husband. I said that what the Congresswoman told NBC that Trump said, which Trump denied saying, was confirmed by Kelly and Sanders. She didn't lie about what he said. He lied when he said she fabricated what he said. Why is this so complicated for you?

 

But what Trump said was *NOT* confirmed by Kelly and Sanders! What Trump said includes EVERYTHING he said, not one phrase pulled out of context to make him look like he was denigrating the soldier and his service!

Rep Wilson *did* lie. It was a lie of omission! By not including the entire context of what Trump said she created a false impression of what he said!

So she *did* fabricate what Trump said by not quoting him in full.

Why is this so complicated for *YOU*?

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What is a lie of omission?
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A lie of omission is a lie in which someone deliberately withholds pertinent details about something in order to skew someone else's idea of the truth or engender a misconception. Although a lie of omission is not technically a lie because it contains no false information, it is still referred to as one colloquially because it is deliberately misleading
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By engendering a misconception of what Trump said, Rep Wilson LIED. And you sucked it right down because it fits so well with your unfounded hatred of Trump.

Pathetic.

 

Trump lied when he said the Congresswoman fabricated his words. She shared two things he said - the "he knew what he signed up for" statement Kelly explained yesterday, and the use of "your guy" to the widow instead of his name, which Sanders clarifiied on Wednesday. She didn't fabricate his words. She shared them exactly as he said them. Take your emotion out of it and focus on what was said by both parties.

 

Trump was not criticizing Obama either. He merely told the truth. Exactly the same thing Kelly said. Obama didn't call Kelly. Trump never said Obama should have called him.

The issue is *NOT* the details of the private discussion between Trump and Kelly. YOU ARE DEFLECTING.

I asked you before what you thought you were trying to accomplish on here! Are you now claiming you are trying to denigrate Trump over revealing he had a private conversation with Kelly?

SO FRIGGEN WHAT? That's not the topic of ANY post on here except this last one made by you to deflect from what you originally claimed!

Remember you said: "Trump's comment about Kelly's son was not in response to a question by the "MSM" about contacts with the Gold Star Families."

It's obvious you are trying to deflect away from that. The entire NBC posts shows you were wrong.

 

Turning on your caps lock for no reason doesn't make your argument better.

Trump had a private conversation with Kelly that he blabbed. He was wrong. I'm not deflecting. That's what I'm posting about. This thread is about Kelly and his words yesterday. Kelly addressed that very issue in his words yesterday. Did you forget what we're discussing?

And the MSM didn't ask Trump about Kelly's son. Trump shared what Kelly said to him, in private, and not in the Rose Garden, and not to NBC. NBC has nothing to do with that.

Can you please focus to the discussion or just please walk away from it?

 

Trump DID NOT LIE! Representative Wilson lied by omission.

The statement "Your son knew what he signed up for and went ahead bravely into danger" is far different from "he knew what he signed up for".

The second is a lie by omission used to cast Trump as an evil man calling the widow to denigrate her husband and his service. The first is a testament to the bravery of the soldier.

The FIRST is what Kelly counseled Trump to say. The second is the lie Rep Wilson is telling in order to use it to attack Trump.

And *YOU* are using Wilson's lie to attack Trump as well.

It is shameful. It is sick. It is perverted. It is insane.

It is an indication of how far the left, and that includes you, will go to attack Trump.

 

Trump lied when he said the Congresswoman fabricated his words. She didn't. He said exactly what she said he did. Kelly and Sanders confirmed it. And both explained it. That makes his claim "She fabricated my words" and "I never said what she said I did" lies.

I'm not attacking Trump. I'm pointing out his lie. No, I'm not perverted. This thread isn't about sex. It's about a lie the President told, and it's about him sharing the private conversation he had with his Chief of Staff to score political points against Obama.

 

Caps lock is an understood way to emphasize what one is saying. It is used all the time in modern literature!

There was nothing wrong with Trump telling that Obama didn't call Kelly. You only consider it to be wrong because you are such a staunch defender of Obama. It's one of the main reason no one believes you are a Republican!

Kelly said nothing about Trump being wrong in letting the public know Obama didn't call him. He only said he was not criticizing Obama for not having done so. Once again you are reading *exactly* what you want to see and not what is there!

*I* was the one that had to point out to you that the MSM didn't ask Trump about Kelly's son. And Trump *DID* respond to a question by a reporter! I gave you the NBC False News story on it that confirmed that!

The only one trying to walk away here is you. You are running away from the fact that Trump was asked by the MSM about his contact with the Niger families. You are running away from the fact that Kelly said nothing about Trump being wrong in making public the fact that Obama didn't call Kelly. You are running away from the fact that Rep Wilson lied so you can continue casting aspersions at Trump for being callous and heartless.

If all you have to offer is further aspersions toward Trump based on a lie being propagated by your buddies on the left and the MSM then I'll keep refuting them.

 

In one thread you're melting down because the Congresswoman shared details of a private conversation between Trump and the widow (even though the widow gave the Congresswoman her permission to both listen to the call and share the details with the press).

Then you come in here and say it's no big deal that Trump shared details of a private conservation he had with Kelly, and without Kelly's permission to share it.

You don't even know what you're saying anymore.

NBC News didn't bring up John Kelly's son. Trump did, without being asked, and not to NBC. They weren't even there.

 

Side comment on that remark Trump said over and over again about Obama not calling Mike Kelly (and Hannity has been going on and on at length about it for days now) He didn't call!

Kelly yesterday said when president's do call, it's to the next of kin -- which would have been to Robert Kelly's WIFE, Heather.

 

A LIE BY OMISSION *is* a fabrication. It is an attempt to mislead. Again, here's the definition: "A lie of omission is a lie in which someone deliberately withholds pertinent details about something in order to skew someone else's idea of the truth or engender a misconception."

Exactly what Rep Wilson is doing.

When you don't provide context with a full quote you are deliberately withholding pertinent details. You are lying!

That may be an inconvenient truth for you to accept but it is the truth nonetheless!

You *are* attacking Trump. There simply isn't any doubt of that. You are calling him a liar based on a lie of omission by Rep Wilson. You don't even have enough courage to admit what you are doing!

And, again, Kelly said nothing critical about Trump stating Obama didn't call him. If Kelly doesn't have a problem with it then why do you have a problem with it other than you are desperately searching for something you can castigate Trump over?

 

Very interesting, and you're right. The Presidents don't call every family member. They call the next of kin.

 

We've been over this and you're not having the same discussion I am.

Why do you approve of Trump sharing the details of a private conversation he had with Kelly in order to score political points against Obama?

 

Zactly.

Trump wasn't calling the mother of La David: He was calling next of kin.

Mike Flynn was not next of kin. (He was however invited to the White House with his wife to sit at Obama's table for a Gold Star family tribute / dinner not long after the passing.)