<Mod Warning> Kelly denouces politics then gets political

I don't know the whole story. I didn't hear the conversation between Trump and the widow, so I don't know if we got the whole story. But it seems to me there are three possible options, and in any one of the three, this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.

1) Trump really is cold-hearted and has no sense of how to console a grieving widow and made a terrible phone call. I'm not sure that really says anything political about Trump at all, and the effort by the Democratic congresswoman to make it political is just grandstanding.

2) Trump really made a heartfelt phone call that anyone else would have accepted at face value. But then the widow and the congresswoman decided to make it political and jumped on one particular phrase as seeming cold-hearted and cruel and ran to the press with it.

3) Trump tried to make a heartfelt phone call and failed miserably. In which case, take your pick from option 1 or 2 above about the results.

The one thing we know Trump didn't do is blame the soldier's death on a video that he knew damn well had nothing to do with it. I agree with the OP, Kelly should have stayed out of it.

 

The Congresswoman was a THIRD party that made the conversation public. And Trump did not agree to the conversation being made public. If we are going to start making all consolation calls public then they will forever stop.

How do *YOU* know Kelly didn't give permission to Trump? Did Kelly say that in his statement or is that just another fevered delusion created by the left?

I think that pertains more to you than me. I am having to quote your own words back to you!

The author of the story I gave you is an NBC News politics reporter. What do you mean NBC News was not at a major news conference given by the President?

Put down the whiskey bottle!

 

That's a fair point. And that probably explains why Kelly made it very clear yesterday that he had no problem with the fact that Obama never called him. Too bad Trump used his dead son to try to score a "Gotcha" against Obama which blew up in his face.

 

I don't have a whiskey bottle.

NBC hasn't got anything to do with Trump sharing the details of his private conversation with Kelly about his son with someone.

I know the widow gave permission to Wilson to share the details on the call with the press. Kelly never said yesterday "I told President Trump he could discuss my dead son and a call I never got with Obama", which, by the way, as Paperview pointed out, he wasn't going to get anyway. He was not his son's next of kin. His son's wife was.

 

I think it's #3. Trump meant well, but wasn't able to deliver the message Kelly told him to.

Who knows? Maybe if Trump hadn't brought Obama into the early discussions and tried to gain political points on him, the Congresswoman would never have made an issue out of this.

 

upside222, let's not lose sight of another fact proving Wilson has lied about this over and over. She provided the proof herself.

When relating the issue, she claimed she heard the conversation because it was on speakerphone. She then went on to say she was so outraged she wanted to cuss out the President, but the family would not give her the phone.

Why would she need the phone, when the conversation was taking place on speakerphone? The answer is obvious.

IMO, Wilson is a rabid, Trump hating, racist who has used the grief of a Gold Star widow to push her despicable agenda. Censure seems too light a sentence for such a vile thing.

 

So the mother of the soldier who was killed in Niger, Sergeant Johnson, lied when she said the conversation took place on speakerphone? Because that's what she said. So what answer is obvious - that you're accusing a Gold Star mother of lying?

 

Dang, how typical of you. Right, I'm accusing a Gold Star mother of lying. Can you be any more churlish?

I did not mention the grieving Gold Star mother. I was relating the spoken words of Rep. Wilson. Wilson said she knew what the President said because the conversation was on speakerphone. Wilson is the one who said the family refused to give her the phone so she could cuss out the President. Why would she need the phone when the call was already on speakerphone.

Care to answer that?

 

If your claim is that the conversation did not happen on speakerphone, as the Congresswoman said, then you are saying that his mother is lying. Because his mother has given interviews and said the conversation was, in fact, on a speakerphone and she also head every word. Care to answer that?

 

The problem is when you lie, then you have to cover it with another lie...
The former 4 Star General, now Chief of Staff, decided to make up a story to discredit the congresswoman and the Sun Sentinel came up with a video that proved his lie, then Ms. Sanders decided his remarks surrounding the funding must have come from another part of the day, however if you read the former 4 Star General's statement, it referred to her at the podium. I would agree that the congresswoman would have been better served not to make an issue regarding the President's remarks, and the President would have been better served not trying to make himself look better than previous Presidents. I have little doubt his intentions were in the right place in making the call but I can understand how many of his remarks can be misinterpreted. In light of his inability to deal in an adult manner when it comes to the smallest slight and his constant putting down others to make himself look better, not surprising his Narcissistic personality may be off putting.
The President tweet regarding the "wacky congresswoman" did not to enhance the White House opinion or stature.

 

WTH? I haven't claimed the call didn't happen on speakerphone!

I've stated that Wilson is a liar. She lied when she claimed the family wouldn't hand her the phone so she could cuss out the President. That never happened, IMO. Why would they need to hand her the phone when the call was already on speakerphone?
Wilson's claim was pure embellishment, which given her history, calls into question everything she has stated regarding the conversation between the President and this grieving Gold Star mother.

What part of that are you struggling with?

 

Have you paid attention to the situation?
Since the video from the Sun Sentinel corroborates Wilson's claim that Kelly was lying about her role in the FBI building dedication, it's more likely that she is the one telling the truth about trump's comments as well.
Trump is a congenital liar and everyone already assumes he is lying to cover his own ass, but I thought that Marine generals had more class than to abandon lifelong principles to polish turds for a moron.
But then, anyone who wants to work for trump has already thrown their self-respect and principles under the bus.

 

Yes you did. Twice, in fact. Here is the first time.

And here is the second time.

Now you're trying to back track because you had no idea that the man's mother said it was on a speakerphone too. You just didn't know it until I pointed it out to you, and it makes your thinly veiled implications in your post completely wrong.

If the Congresswoman lied, then so did the mother. So just go ahead and say the answer is obvious - the mother is lying too. Isn't that right? I mean, since it's so obvious and all.

 

The Sun Sentinel video is not complete. It starts with Wilson already at the podium and already speaking.

The Sun Sentinel should know better than to post an obviously truncated video as evidence Kelly got it wrong. The only way such a video would provide proof would be if they posted the video of Wilson walking up to the dias after being introduced, speaking in total, and then returning to her seat. Absent of that, no conclusive evidence was provided. In fact, choosing to post a truncated video does more damage to the Sun Sentinel than it does to clear up the issue.

What I do find interesting in the truncated video is Wilson's comments at the 4:52 mark. There she says: "Most men and women in law enforcement leave their homes for work knowing there is a possibility they may not return." So I guess what she is is claiming is that when someone in a dangerous profession like law enforcement gets killed, they knew what they had signed up for.

 

The Sun Sentinel video is not complete. It starts with Wilson already at the dias and already speaking.

The Sun Sentinel should know better than to post an obviously truncated video as evidence Kelly got it wrong.

The only way that would work would be if they posted the video of Wilson walking up to the dias after being introduced, speaking in total, and then returning to her seat. Absent of that, no conclusive evidence was provided. In fact, choosing to post a truncated video does more damage to the Sun Sentinel than it does to clear up the issue.

I'm not back tracking. You got it backwards. You need to apologize for claiming I was calling this Gold Star mother a liar.

Wilson is a liar. She never asked for the phone. Why would she need to? The conversation was on speakerphone, all she had to do was start talking.

I won't hold my breath on the apology. Like Wilson, some are so obsessed, objectivity and reason have been pushed aside.

 

You have to be joking - the nightmare would be if they stopped coming. The amusement provided by the MSM and Globalist politicians is better than watching the Three Stooges or Jerry Lewis.

The left wing does the pretzel twist every time Trump tweets or says something the MSM can corrupt with lies and half lies. How the hell do you get "racism" out of being called an "empty barrel" - an original statement If you rap on a barrel that’s full with your fist or with a mallet, it makes a dull thud. If you rap on a barrel that’s empty, it reverberates like a drum, making a much louder sound as the wall, covers and air inside it vibrate. It’s a metaphor for someone who has no real substance that insists on babbling about things on which they have little knowledge or authority to everyone around them.

I think the term "empty barrel" describes the MSM and DNC - a lot of noise coming from nothing.

 

The new official White House position: It is inappropriate to question a four-star general.

“If you want to go after Gen. Kelly, that’s up to you,” the spokesperson said, “but I think if you want to get into a debate with a four-star Marine general, I think that’s something highly inappropriate.”

This could only happened in the Trump White House. Reporters were directly told not to do their jobs. Our nation is being led by idiots.

 

Oh so the "obvious" thing was that she didn't actually ask for the phone. Oh, sure it was, Ocean. I mean, that's a huge thing and would require you to post two posts of outrage!

By the way, perhaps you've never seen a speaker phone, but you know that smart phones have - guess what - a speaker capability built into them, and guess what - if you want to speak with someone privately on the other end, you pick up the phone and take it off speaker phone. Voila.

Your intention was quite clear in your post, and you know it. Don't try to back pedal now.

Obsessed? I'm not the one tossing my underpants at the feet of a lifelong liberal reality TV game show host who wanted Hillary Clinton to be POTUS. That's you. Your adoration for the President is unseemly. And the ironic thing is he doesn't even know you're alive to pat you on the head for rushing to his defense.

 

LOL

You know, it's pointless to converse with you. You invent things to save face, and attack and insult when you can't justify your position.

Lip lock with this vile piece of excrement all you want, Wilson is a POS who used a grieving widow to push lies and distortions. Apparently that is a character type you embrace.

Have a swell evening.

 

Wilson is a political grandstanding nutcase. And your hero Trump is the same thing. Only he has the nuclear codes and she doesn't.

The difference between me and you is I'm not covering for a liar. You are. You always did when it came to the man you worship.

Next time learn about technology before embarrassing yourself and talking about it. Or next time know your facts so you don't imply someone was lying. You did both mistakes, son. That's on you.

 

And now you accuse me of not knowing how a smart phone or a speaker phone works. I had my first cell phone in 1984. I bought an IBM System 38 for my business in 1987. I owned a cutting edge manufacturing business for 25 years. I just sold a cutting edge electrical power supply manufacturing business I've owned for 8 years.

You have no idea how technically savvy I am. But you can't help yourself can you? I guess when an empty barrel runs out of things to say, they just invent any insult they can come up with.

Learn how to insult better TB. These third grade level insults don't accomplish what you think they do.

 

You are trying to manufacture something to castigate Trump with when there isn't anything there.

I know Trump didn't give *his* permission for the private conversation to be made public. And the President has just as much right to the privacy of his personal communications as any other citizen!

Kelly never said yesterday "I told President Trump he could discuss my dead son and a call I never got with Obama", which, by the way, as Paperview pointed out, he wasn't going to get anyway. He was not his son's next of kin. His son's wife was.[/QUOTE]

Why is the left so adamant over the past week for using the argumentative fallacy of Argument from Silence?

Kelly was *SILENT* on the issue of permission. Silence is not proof of *anything*. You don't know whether Kelly gave his permission or not! Nor did Trump mention Kelly's dead son, he mentioned the call Kelly never got!

The President can call who ever he wants to express condolences. There is *NO* official protocol.

 

Answering a question with a question is an argumentative fallacy. Do you *ever* have anything other than argumentative fallacies to offer?

 

Well, the truth will out. Let's see just how many reporters are going to take on Kelly!

 

You nailed it. I just saw some black liberal on Fox say he didn't know what the term means but that he knows its racist!

To the left today *everything* they don't say is racist! It's actually gotten to the point where the term "racist" is meaningless today.