ISIS Driven out of Raqqua

First you take a guess at what I meant and end up grotesquely wrong, then you impart a racist aspect to what I said and again you are ridiculously wrong, then threaten me with bombings in response to your imagined slights, and you're ok with that?

Again, hilarious.

 

Obama was lying. The withdrawal was due to the SOFA.

 

US Assistance for Internal Development (USAID) and Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) plus Humanitarian Relief is money allocated by the government. The figure is comparable to what is officially provided by governments in western Europe and other developed economies, about 1% of their total spending budgets, but I suspect proportionate to what their citizens give charitably. Someone earning $50k should (and probably does) contribute about $500 a year in charity (at church, to beggars or in fundraising events), this is normal. In addition to the "official" USAID, ODA and Humanitarian Relief the US Government provides, myriad charitable institutions from the WWF to countless churches and a variety of organizations advocating for democracy, fair trade, abortions, fighting AIDS malaria or polio, all receive generous contributions from individuals in the US. At my church we have an annual fundraising drive for missionaries in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

 

Consider "Catholic Charities" which is the third largest US charitable foundation (Behind "YMCA" and "Goodwill") and received $4.422 billion in charitable donations from US citizens (plus $679.2 million from the US government), they disbursed 79.6% of this in health, housing and welfare efforts both in the US and overseas. https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Guide-to-Giving/America-s-Top-50-charities-How-well-do-they-rate, or you could give to the "Clinton Foundation" which isn't even included in the Christian Science Monitor's "Top 50 Charitable Organizations".

 

Big deal.

ISIL's fate was sealed the minute they announced they had a 'country'. No chance the West - especially America - would allow that for long.
Anyone who seriously thought the ISIL 'country' could last for very long simply did not know the situation in reality.

They had no air force or navy...and most of their soldiers were mercenaries who fight for money, not religion.

And forget crediting either Trump or Obama specifically. Both wanted this...and the military delivered it to them. The military did it - well helped do it - not Obama or Trump.

 

Get real! USAID is a front for the CIA, that's why it's been kicked out of Russia and other countries... and they are not hiding the fact that they work for Washington's interests ...which of course includes protests, bribery, etc. and anything else that would facilitated regime changes like in Ukraine, and no doubt Syria, otherwise there wouldn't be a war going on. I think Ecuador is the latest to kick them out, but I'm not sure.

USAID, like every other anarchist inducing group, is heavily supported by George Soros': 'Open Society Foundation'.

 

So the SOFA enforced itself, huh? Was the SOFA in effect when the troops later returned during BHO's presidency?

 

While the Russian economy is not doing well, and the per capita income ranking only 52 in the world, it does not qualify as a recipient for US Aid. This is mischief and Putin was right. http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/01/j...r-docs-on-funding-to-soros-foreign-campaigns/

 

The SOFA ended on December 31st 2011 and mandated our withdrawal if a new SOFA was not negotiated.

Did the Iraqis have the same demands in 2014 that they did in 2011?

 

So the Iraqi government, with Maliki in charge and under the power of the SOFA, forced Obama to remove the troops from Iraq in December 2011. And he was forced to obey them. Is that your argument?

 

ISIS was supported by Saudi Arabia, and the intent was to make as much of Syria as possible into a Wahabbi/Takfiri state by toppling Assad... and the US was in agreement with this which meant of course the massacre of all the Christians and Alawites, otherwise ISIS wouldn't have been able to take over as much of the country as it did. That it wasn't what the Syrian people wanted was shown later on when everyone began joining Assad's army.

Washington's intent was to dissolve the secular Assad government, and each nation around Syria was planning on grabbing a share. Turkey still wants Aleppo, Saudi Arabia has given up on uniting with the oil rich areas that ISIS had grabbed, and Israel figured it couldn't get the Golan Heights legally, so it decided to make it part of Israel illegally.

 

Refusing to remove our troops would have put us in a state of war with the Sovereign nation of Iraq, our ally.

Do you believe we should have gone to war with Iraq in order to force troops on them that they didn’t want?

 

Al Nusra - in the context of Syria . is Al Qaeda in Syria. ISIS was also Al Qaeda when it comes down to brass taxes.

Regardless - it matters not what the these groups name themselves. They are all share the same Saudi inspired extremist Salafi/Whahhabi Islamist ideology.

 

SOFA's are negotiated, not put into place, or dispensed with. Another , in the case we're discussing, could have been negotiated, as was expected. It could also have been ignored, as is the case now. In other words they are not written in stone and having a two bit Maliki deciding what American leadership can and must do is insane. All we need do is look at the consequences of what happened since December of 2011, with the millions of lives lost and ruined, and you're prepared to blame that on the lack of a SOFA???

 

I expect the most that President Bonespurs has done is allow the military brass to do what they think is best. We've seen every indication that he basically gives our military free rein, and that seems to be the way to go here. 0bama probably did stand in their way and cause more problems than he helped in this arena, as evidenced by all that happened under his watch.

0bama may have been better by far than President Deferment in most areas, but militarily he clearly was not.

 

The Iraqi government was demanding any future SOFA include a clause that stated any US soldier accused of violating Iraqi law be subject to the Iraqi judicial system. Should we have agreed to that?

 

They may have different names in different countries or areas but it's all Islamism.

 

No.

 

So then another SOFA negotiation was a non-starter.

 

This is a good post. Especially the NYT article written prior to ISIS going into Iraq. As soon as ISIS went into Iraq the US had a problem because it was supporting ISIS in Syria but fighting them in Iraq. As it became difficult to hide the fact that we were arming and supporting the rebel opposition in Syria it became necessary to create the "Moderate Rebel Lie" /False Narrative.

All of a sudden the NYTimes completely forgets it's previous reporting in support of the Official lie. This is despite the fact that numerous in Congress were calling out Obama on these lies.

One contradiction in your post is the : " The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological"

This is contradicted by the NYT article "We all want an Islamic state and we want Sharia to be applied"

The whole "call to Jihad" in Syria was on the basis of of the above ideology. Syria was a secular nation - women had rights, could be educated without approval of a man, drove cars, wore skirts an proper bathing suits ... and so on. There is no Sharia .. no stoning women for adultery, killing gays, death for changing religion "apostasy". There were no religious police running around the country (like in El Saud) monitoring behavior. There was drinking and dancing and "western music" in bars.

The Islamist's hate this. They hate individual rights and freedoms and they hate secularism (non theocratic state).

These were then the two sides. On one side you had the people fighting to keep essential liberty .. on the other you had the rebel opposition who wanted to take that liberty away - wanted to force their extremist religious beliefs on others through physical violence. These Islamist's are so extreme that they even hate other Muslims who do not adhere to their extremist beliefs.

This conflict was over ideology. Full Stop.

 

Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, various groups in Pakistan/India and others around the world - All share the same Saudi inspired extremist Islamist ideology.

It is well known and well reported that Saud has been exporting this extremist ideology all over the world for decades. Saud has been supporting and arming these groups.

The distinction within Islam is that not all Muslims are Islamists - hate individual rights and freedoms and want to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence - Law - Sharia ...and want theocracy.

Syria for example was a secular nation ... A shining star in the world of Islam. They rejected Islamist ideology. The conflict in Syria was between those who rejected Islamist ideology and those who wanted Syria to be a Strict Sharia Theocracy.

 

Raqqua has been obliterated. Sadly, this is how war works. If the enemy refuses to wear uniforms and fights within their civilian cities those cities will be destroyed. The destruction fault lands on ISIS, not the USA. It was ISIS that decided to make Raqqua the battle zone and by disguising themselves as their civilians it was they who put the civilians at risk.

 

Don't forget BO peep said there was someone even more dangerous than Daesh or Al Nusra there....Khorason.

 

What then happens then is defending military forces starve the civilians, not themselves, using video of starving children for propaganda. So there is howling to send food and humanitarian aid, negating the siege - and the food send first goes to the military defenders so we end up literally feeding the enemy, not starving the enemy.

 

?? Khorason is a group of senior members of Al Qaeda ... and Al Nusra/ISIS by association. These, and other senior leaders of these various terrorist groups the folks that the CIA and our buddy Saud was working with.

How else do you think they coordinated support and arms shipments to these groups ?