The Projects. Public Housing

I lived next to a few small subsidized apartment buildings, and it was solid wall-to-wall single mothers with kids, and no fathers, but lots of boyfriends. If the girls got married, they would be taken off of welfare and have to live off of him, rather than the state.

The state is a much better provider than some guy who has to make employers happy in order to keep his job.

This phenomena has been known since the 70s. The left know this, but they don't care. They want to keep blacks poor because they are a solid voting bloc for democrats. Give them hope and a future, and they won't need the welfare state that the left loves.

So kids grow up in fatherless households to women who are paid to raise children without a father, who might be able to teach them a thing or two about morals and the value of hard work. They know nothing about hard work because mom can't work. If she did find a job, she'd lose her welfare.

This is what the left wants. They know this is how it works, and they're cool with it because they have a surefire source of votes.

 

If you house someone in a nice area with pleasant amenities, they'll take pride in their homes. If you house them in a crummy house in a crummy area, what are you telling them?

 

Nonsense! People make an area nice, or not nice. Detroit used to be a nice place to live, as was Oakland which is where I lived next to those welfare shacks.

It's not the dirt, but the people that make a place nice. A neighborhood isn't nice because of where it is, but because of who lives there, and the values they cherish.

 

Ok, Beverly Hills has only nice people?

 

Because people there have to work very hard to live in Beverly Hills. Start moving your welfare people in and they will very quickly change the demographics.

Seriously,, I am astounded that you don't understand that dirt is dirt.

It's about people - not dirt.

 

I think it is more complicated than that. I think that if you give a dog a bad name etc.
I think it's a mistake to generalise about disadvantaged people. If they are given a leg up, people will claw their way out of disadvantage and deprivation. How often on this forum do you read of people's tough childhoods and how they rose above poor circumstances?
I read Hillbilly Elegy and it was eye opening. People can remake their lives, but they can also be stuck and unable to overcome education, no work, ill health etc. it must be very discouraging for them to be accused of being lazy, stupid or spongers.

 

I don't think it is painting with a broad brush to point out a systemic problem. I've been to several of the Christmas for Everyone events so poor children can have gifts. You see many women with more than five children by at least three different fathers. This isn't a color thing, where I live, most of these women were white. It is really hard to 'help' people without encouraging long term poverty. Now that traditional family and religion are unpopular, it is going to be that much harder to put families back together.

 

That was very informative. The government would be a much more reliable bet than one of the boyfriends. Even if congress recognizes the problem, I don't see an easy fix.

 

Agree. It is a difficult problem.

 

I understand the bigger picture, as it happens. America is not Bangladesh. Homelessness, whether directly elective or after a series of 'misfortunes', comes down to poor choices. You have adequate welfare, incredibly cheap housing, free healthcare, free education, etc etc. And we choose not to drink or do drugs, or be a bad friend and family member, or gamble, or have relationships with deadbeats, or refuse to work, etc etc. No one needs to be homeless in the west. Homelessness is a product of dysfunction, not third world poverty.

 

No, but it does play according to some very simple rules. 1) don't live paycheck to paycheck. If you're not saving for a rainy day, you're living above your means 2) don't have kids if you can't afford them 3) save for a rainy day 4) don't have kids if you can't afford them 5) save for a rainy day.

 

So easy.

 

This guy nailed it, I have lived in public housing the one thing that never changes and stands still in time is the projects. Generations of families and sometimes generations of gangs, drugs, poverty. I go back sometimes. but it is hell on earth. There has to be an incentive to get out of public housing. Because I knows guys there children and grandchildren will repeat their lifestyle. And the projects have a way of molding negative behavior. But projects are just the same as the streets with houses, but projects are packed in like rats. You want to see no progress and going nowhere and only living for the cig, beer, blunt or sex. Go to the projects. It is a hopeless existence.

 

That kind of hopelessness is hard for me to even understand. I wish I could do something. Nobody should have to grow up like that.

 

Chicago tore down the Cabrini Projects, & shipped all the residents all over the city. Like 6 years after, suddenly the entire city was filled with violence..... Now, they're the highest (last I checked) violent crime area.

Projects, regardless of size/layout, are nothing but refuse dumps.

Not a large enough number of residents who bring "positives" to the table, (again, my experience) to state it any other way.

 

It's kinda like when I spoke to Rise Against and he told his America or what most Americans see is not violence. Like I said in the other thread, murder and death isn't that deep. I'm not alarmed by the Texas or Vegas shooting. Not because I don't care but this is the lifestyle of most urban inner cities. When I leave work and go home I will see all these things. Street life sucks.

 

Where is the rule "must be easy"? I haven't seen that one.

Meantime, it's actually 'harder work' to remain poor in America, than to have basic financial security (reliable housing & food).

 

Many around here, have no clue, (Thankfully) what you're stating.

Ciao for Now.

 

I think you're ON crank.

 

The thing is there two types of projects people, ones that want to get out, and ones that wants make excuses. MAKE PROGRESS OR MAKE EXCUSES!

 

why? because speaking painful truths is ... painful?

America (like most of the west) has very good welfare, super cheap housing (especially compared to many western nations), free healthcare, and free education. Again, you have to go out of your way to remain poor under those conditions.

 

No, because you have some twisted notion, that it's hard to remain poor.

Simple.

 

All this Bullshit you list crank, means dick, to household income.

 

Your rules as above make it sound easy.