Is there a time for Lying ?

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course there is.Unless one is given to a Lifetime of
    perpetual childness.
    One most obvious of examples,Is the Sinking of the Titanic.
    And a Very concerned upper class Wife who has just loaded her 2
    children on to a Lifeboat as the Husband knows for sure the Titanic
    is set to founder { sink } as she asks him about his safety.
    He informs her with a high degree of calm certainty ...
    " Everyone here will be quite safe "
    She asks " Is that the Truth " ?
    He saying ... " certainly it is "
    Which is a Prime example.
    What is your example
     
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    Does this make me look fat?

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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course in the Catholic faith there is what's known as
    a White lie { or inconsequential lie } meant more to safeguard
    off the true nature of the original question.
    After all a Lie is a misleading,inaccurate or false statement
    intended by the source.And those or they who communicate them
    are known as Liars.
    The practice of communicating Lies is deemed Lying.
     
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    Doctor asks if you have guns at home.

    No.
     
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    I would probably lie to protect my children and wouldn't lose sleep about it, unless I were lying to get them out of having committed a serious crime.

    Of course, they never get themselves into jams that I find out about, so it's never come up.

    I also catch myself lying to protect the feelings of people I don't want to see or don't want to do business with. "Sorry, I'm busy this weekend" is my way of saying I don't want to socialize with you.

    "Sorry, I haven't had time to come by" is my way of saying, "I took it to someone I have more confidence in."

    Wrong? Not sure. I don't think so.
     
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    My original point being that it may not be too indistinguishable
    Today than it was in 1912 when in April of that year the
    Unsinkable Titanic went down.How Humans behaved.
    OR has it gotten markedly worse.? That if Today there was the
    same maritime Tragedy .., would humans behave differently.?
    I say ... a BiG ........ YeS
     
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    No. I would say exactly the same thing to my wife, she would know I was lying, and it would be okay with her that I lied for the sake of trying to maintain ... something ... tranquility ... dignity, I guess. The alternative would be to say "No, I won't be okay. I'll freeze to death when the boat ship down and will never see you ever again." Is that better?
     
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    Or the Patient Reply's ... Ok Doc ... You first.
    Do You use Schedule One prescription Narcotics.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is somewhat a lame response.This is not a trip to the
    grocery store and asking a spouse about what each likes.
    This is about Finality.The last thing on earth a Spouse
    may confide in seriousness to their soulmate.
    Can you comprehend that.
    Or has Society conditioned You to think and answer accordingly.
     
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    If it hurts the other person to tell the truth, then a small lie does not count.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    Which is widely considered to be a White Lie.
    Which is also widely considered as an Adult device
    or aid.
     
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    lies only become true when people of good will no longer consent to sacrifice themselves on the altar of truth.

     
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    " The greatest friend of Truth is Time,her greatest enemy is
    Prejudice,and her constant companion is Humility. "
    -- Charles Caleb Colton { English poet,essayist }
     
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    Somewhat lame? It's either lame or it isn't. But no, mine is a perfect response because it's true. What would you say to your wife in the same circumstance?
     
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    Rationalizing Lame and then insisting it's ok to tell a small lie
    or fib and that something is either Lame or no.
    So then something can be either lame or not.
    But a lie by any other name { white lie } is not.
     
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    I didn't ask you that. I asked what you would do in similar circumstances. You didn't answer. I'll ignore further posts from you until you answer.
     
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    we must be wary of the english way of thinking, our peasant christian ancestors sacrificed a lot to defeat them for freedom.
     
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    Yassum Boss.I need to get my head right,huh?
    " What we have here is failure ta Communicate " -- Cool Hand Luke
     
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    When I was working at a ladies boutique shop, if a customer tried on an outfit and then came out of the dressing room asking what I thought..I would not lie. If the outfit did nothing for her skin tones or figure, I would say it was not flattering and suggest something else. I might have lost out on a sale, but I would rather a happy customer than one that bought something that made her look awful.
    "Does this make me look fat?" would be greeted with "it does not slim you down. Wrong pattern, wrong fit".
    So there are white lies, semi lies, part lies and brutal truths. It depends on the person asking and the person responding.
     
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    I said I'd ignore you, not put you on a chain gang. So you're right, we can't communicate.
    Goodbye, Luke.
     
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    No, there is never a good time to lie. However, a lie is a deception with selfish or malicious intent.
    There are times when deception is just the thing, as long as there is no selfish or malicious intent.
    Honesty is not always the best policy. One can just as easily be selfish or malicious honestly as they can dishonestly.
    "Just because it's true", doesn't make it any better than a lie if the truth is told with selfish or malicious intent.
    To tell lies about someone is slander. To tell truths about someone is gossip. Gossip causes far more harm than slander.
     

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