Could Putin Quit?

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Aleksander Ulyanov, Nov 19, 2017.

  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Again though, why? Why should Russia or anyone else refrain from interfering in our elections if someone gives them an easy way to do so?
     
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    Is your coutry so weak that it can be hijacked by russia? Dont you have any self respect?
     
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    trains in Russia do arrive on schedule, unless delay occurs, which is rare... you should not judge what you've no idea about.
     
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    indeed, why? Russia only does what others do, so why the fuss?
     
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    Russias infra structure is a absolute mess. Thats a fact. I saw your country when i accomponied a delegation in September and seriously i was not impressed. St. Ptersburg was ok though and had acceptable standards. But once you leave the city its like a 3rd world country.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    They had help, but he will soon pay for that
     
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    Pay for what? Revealing that Clinton is pathetic corrupted slime?

    Or did Putin inflitrate the democratic party so they nominated this corrupted piece of ...?

    Clinton as president would be the worst thing for Germany to happen.

    btw this pathetic criminal even tried to betray Germany. She asked for money for a group that plants trees in Mexico. Our ecological ministry gave her a budget and it later turned out she used it for her campaign.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are evil dictators and there are benevolent dictators, the latter being patriots who can't bear to watch their country degrade any further, and have the guts and the determination to do something about it.
     
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    True. I think for example Pinochet was best thing that could happen to Chile. Was he cold and brutal? Yes. Did he do evrything to stabilize Chile? Yes.

    I also see al Sisi in Egypt as good. He saved Egypt from chaos.
     
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    Indeed, and he's the perfect example of 'a benevolent dictator'; the liberals had taken over Chile and were destroying it, so he tried to stop them from doing so, and the only way liberals can be brought to heel is to crush them. Margaret Thatcher was the only western politician who understood that.
     
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    I have a chilean buddy. He told me his grandma explained to him when the communists started taking peoples property, the old women went to the soldiers and did throw them corn infront their feet. Mocking them as chicken because they did not act. Almost all normal people were relieved, when Pinochet took over. And he made Chile a country with western standards. Visited it last year and it looks like any european nation. Whealthy and stable. Totally different to any other south american country.
     
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    btw Thatcher was not only western leader who understood that.

    Chancellor Helmut Schmidt here in Germany acted hardcore against the commies. He arrested them...they then died mysteriously in prison in Stammheim. Accidents happen.
     
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    that means the infrastructure is not 'absolute mess'.
    only shows your education is flawed, for if you seen the world map, you would have noticed that Russia is a huge country, much larger than Germany, with its population density much lower than anywhere else; so it is mostly cities that make Russia what it is, because there's no point to build infrastructure for villages that die out; infrastructure comes only where people go.
     
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    Canada is similar size to russia and the villages there dont look like 3rd world.

    Look comrade, as German i have certain standards. Standards that russia does not achieve. Dirty streets, drunk people and rotten train stations are not good. You guys lack order and discipline
     
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    :)), Yeah, I'm here in Canada currently, rural western canada, it's currently on the chilly side...-8C with some snow, but it's well developed, I was in Magadan Russia some years back, in April and was damn cold, and rather underdeveloped.
     
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    nope, almost twice as smaller, like i said, your education sucks.
    neither Russian villages do, stop making up stories.
    really? what standards? care to specify?
    what you said just proves you've never been to Russia, because its not dirty streets or drunk people all the way, neither it is 'rotten' railway stations; anyone who travelled here can attest; what you just described you seen on German TV and dates back to the 1990s.
    because we are free and, unlike you guys, are not forced to work hard to pay enormous taxes, payments and tolls you do.
     
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    lol, why didn't you go to the North Pole for a impression would best suit your anti-Russian sentiment?
     
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    St Petersburg is not russia?

    1. The Hotel was a 5 star hotel but was simply pazhetic. In the bathroom the switches for heater felt off. Most stuff looked worn down.

    2. People have a trash problem, the streets are full of garbage. Truck drivers piss in plastic bottles and throw those bottles out of truck window.

    3. Outside the city center the houses get more and more rotten.

    Your poverty stinks comrade. I can travel Peru. And im just a police apprentice. Your low income is your chain.
     
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    Actually the people of Russia and in all of Eastern Europe are highly educated. It was considered a priority in communist countries, rather than making money. When Putin was asked about his daughters, he said he's very proud of them since they're not in politics or business, and that they spoke three and four languages fluently. He said they also use them in their fields.

    As for a strong arm, considering how the liberals in this country are acting, maybe we could use a strong arm to guarantee our freedoms. They're ripping us apart you know?
     
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    yes, its Russia.
    obviously, you either never been there or making up things, especially the part with 'piss in plastic bottles' which is impossible, because you get jailed if do something of that sort here. St-Petersburg can be easily googled in the google street view, so anyone can take a virtual travel through its streets, there's nothing like you describe.

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    see the pics? but where's yours to corroborate your claims? why didn't you take any photo of those outrageous things you claim to have witnessed?
     
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    Nice pictures of city centre.

    Evryone throws trash at street outside of city center. There is virtually no police presence and as our guide said in private police at you is corrupted. I could make a car crash and pay the police to drive away.

    Here some pics of St Petersburg off center:

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    The best thing is you guys have so called communal apartments where many families share one toilet. And each family has own toilet seat ha ha ha

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    I ask you honestly can you imagine how such low standards look for a German? We often just looked at each other and grinned.

    The hotels are better of course. It was quite clean. When we learned we accomponie a delegation to russia we of course believed first that evrything will be bad but hotel was clean and the food was ok.
     
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    @Sobo man your ability to travel to South America really seems to have made an impression on you.

    The Northeast United States, home to 60 million people, has an economy the same size as Germany.
     
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    Then i really hope you someday reach our infrastructure and living standards. You would really deserve to step into 21st century standards.
     
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    Russia lost one quarter of its population in WWII. Before that over 20 million were killed during the revolution and WWI, so they had a big problem. With the break up of the Soviet Union, millions of Russians found themselves living outside Russia, and even though they're encountering hardships, they don't want to leave their ancestral homes and move to Russia. This is why the Baltic states have become so paranoid.

    Right now Vladimir Putin wants to populate Siberia and is now extending the offer of free land to everyone who is of Russian and Slavic ancestry and would like to retain their religious and ethnic heritage... including Poles.


    Since Vladimir Putin is a highly devout person, about 7 years ago he asked his spiritual father the Elder Ephraim of Vatopedi Monastery in Mt. Athos to bring the relic of the Virgin Mary to Russia. It was known to help women conceive, and millions of Russians were waiting at the time for up to 24 hours in freezing weather to revere the relic and ask for intercession. It was a big thing at the time.


    Since then the population of actual ethnic Russians, has been increasing. He is also giving benefits now to mothers that have more children. If there is a loss in population, maybe it has to do with the Muslims having less children.


    Anyway the secular EU freaked when the Elder visited Russia, thinking Putin was doing it for geo political reasons. When the Elder went back to Greece, the liberal government which had achieved power by demonizing the monastery for benefiting in a trade deal with the government, put the Elder in jail on a false pretext. It was the same corrupt government that destroyed Greece, and the PM doesn't dare show his face there today.
     
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    Most of the country, including the Northeastern United States (I'd try paying attention to the numbers next time) exceed German living standards.

    Most people don't have a full understanding of the fact that the United States doesn't compare equitably to Germany, it compares equitably to Europe. We have significant population centers of tens of millions of people that dwarf German living standards.
     

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