The Democrats’ Wave Could Turn Into A Flood

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  1. MrTLegal

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    ...you think 13 million are going to vote for your guy because they are uninsured?

    Lol.

    Even if all 13 million were rich and healthy enough to voluntarily give up health insurance purely because of financial reasons, the chances that they end up having a medical bill or the anxiety associated with being uninsured will almost certainly hit before 2020.
     
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    Why what will happen in 4 years ? I have not been to a doctor in like 35 years....


    And yes 13 million just saved enough to take an extra vacation , or a down payment on a ATV, or a new shot gun, or new tires for their car., Or a new computer, or a new phone, or a new television set.....


    Every year...


    And what anxiety ?

    I went 15;years with no car insurance you think I suffered any anxiety, 18 with no health insurance no anxiety here


    Ever hear of workman's comp?

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    Flood, like an overflowing toilet?

    History shows us the opposing power always does better in an off year election.
     
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    And Trump/Trumpism is making that opposition so much more successful and likely to continue.
     
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    Ah yes, ignore history for another partisan quip.
     
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    Rofl.

    I'm not ignoring history, but embracing the fact that Trumpism has already resulted in a historically significant senate seat pick up for the Democrats in Alabama and Trump himself is the reason for the largest congressional party preference margin for democrats since the polling data started.
     
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    Excellent. That will maintain the gridlock. All hail gridlock, a true money saver.
     
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    Bolded true, but and there's always a but.................. my statement is true, "Most don't itemize anyway" so........
    "Fiscal Fact No. 95

    Throughout the debate over the alternative minimum tax and tax reform in general, many politicians and spokespersons for special interest lobbies have misled the public about the number of Americans who benefit from preferences in the tax code. Fewer than two in five tax returns claim deductions such as those for mortgage interest and state and local taxes and, in fact, most Americans owe more tax as a result of these deductions being in the tax code. Not only do these preferences benefit fewer taxpayers then lawmakers would have us believe; they also drive up tax rates for everyone else."https://taxfoundation.org/most-americans-dont-itemize-their-tax-returns/
    Apology accepted.
     
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    That is still 20% of americans who use it and need it.
    And this statement: "in fact, most Americans owe more tax as a result of these deductions being in the tax code." - is very misleading and also not backed up by facts.
    No apology.
    Dream on.
     
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    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you admit what you said wasn't true. Here's some advice, remember what you say then it may help you in future debates. What I posted was true, "Most don't itemize anyway".
     
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    No, that is not correct.
    Try again and this time, try not to live in fantasy land.
     
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    I think to go back 50 years and 12 election cycles is plenty vis-a-vis it was a voter turnout problem why Hillary lost.
     
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    Turmoil: CA Democrats' Sexual Harassment Problem Cost Them Their Supermajority, Could Impact 2018 Midterms...

    The sexual harassment reckoning has exposed many men in positions of power for their bad behavior. Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Mark Halperin and others have either been fired or suspended for sexual misconduct. In the political realm, Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) is resigning in early January after multiple women accused him of sexual harassment. Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) made his way to the exit after his sexual harassment allegations made it into the limelight; he paid $27,000 to settle a claim in 2015. And yes, that’s our money he used for that expenditure. This reached a boiling point during the Roy Moore fiasco in Alabama, where the Republican senate candidate was accused of sexually molesting and assaulting multiple women when they were teenagers. Yet, Conyers and Franken blunted the attacks on Moore and the GOP. The left flank on the Democratic attack line was vulnerable with Conyers and Franken still in the mix. Once Conyers decided to exit, the dam broke for Franken, who grudgingly decided to leave the Senate, though he did so while refusing to apologize for his actions and called his accusers liars.

    Yet, in deep blue California, the progressive mecca of the country, Democrats behaving badly has thrown the state party into turmoil . It’s already cost them their supermajority in the state legislature and it could impact the 2018 plans as well.....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...blem-cost-them-their-supermajority-c-n2426798

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    Several of the CA state legislators accused of sexual harassment are listed in this segment of my partial list:

    2017 Partial list of Rich, Powerful Sexual Abusers, Harassers, Rapists,and enablers 126 - 145

    126. 12/7, Lorin Stein, Paris Review, “At the Paris Review, editor Lorin Stein resigned Wednesday amid an internal investigation into his behavior.
    USA TODAY, New harassment claims oust two WNYC hosts, 'Paris Review' editor Maeve McDermott, USA TODAY Published 9:16 a.m. ET Dec. 7, 2017.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...pate-jonathan-schwartz-lorin-stein/929923001/

    127. 12/7, John Hockenberry, “More: Former WYNC host John Hockenberry accused of sexual misconduct”
    USA TODAY, New harassment claims oust two WNYC hosts, 'Paris Review' editor Maeve McDermott, USA TODAY Published 9:16 a.m. ET Dec. 7, 2017.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...pate-jonathan-schwartz-lorin-stein/929923001/

    128. 128. 12/6 Shervin Pishevar, “Shervin Pishevar, who has invested in Uber, said he was taking a leave of absence from his venture firm and other company boards after reports he harassed five women.”
    NEW YORK TIMES, Silicon Valley Investor Takes Leave of Absence After Harassment Reports, By KATIE BENNER, 12/6/17.
    https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/sexual-harassment

    129. Corey Lewandowski, “WASHINGTON (AP) — A singer and potential congressional candidate said Tuesday that she has filed a sexual assault complaint against President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager for hitting her twice on her buttocks during a Washington gathering in November.
    Joy Villa, a Trump backer who wore a “Make America Great Again” dress at the Grammys this year, said she plans to meet with detectives in Washington next week about the complaint against Corey Lewandowski.”
    ASSOCIATED PRESS,Singer files sex assault complaint against former Trump aide, By LOLITA C. BALDOR, 12/2/17.
    https://www.apnews.com/b9645b0042bb...x-assault-complaint-against-former-Trump-aide

    130. Matt Dababneh, “The Sacramento lobbyist, who recently alleged that Assemblyman Matt Dababneh pushed her into a hotel bathroom in Las Vegas last year and masturbated in front of her, sent a list of questions to the Assembly Rules Committee earlier this month, seeking details on how the investigation would be conducted. A waffling answer about whether the Assembly would waive attorney-client privilege with the outside law firm hired to conduct the investigation, according to Lopez’s lawyer, was not satisfactory.”
    THE SACRAMENTO BEE, Sexual harassment victims want assurances Capitol investigations will be independent, BY ALEXEI KOSEFF, DECEMBER 26, 2017.
    http://amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article191351614.html

    131. Raul Bocanegra, “Last month, then-Assemblyman Raul Bocanegra, a Los Angeles Democrat, resigned after the Los Angeles Times published accusations of harassment from six women.”
    POLITICO, In California, harassment scandals roil ruling Democrats, Resignations and turmoil are upending 2018 plans., By DAVID SIDERS and CARLA MARINUCCI 12/24/2017.
    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...sment-allegations-california-democrats-306231

    132. Rep. Brad Sherman, “Shortly after, Assemblyman Matt Dababneh, a former aide to Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman announced he will resign effective Jan. 1, after multiple women accused him of misconduct. A Sacramento lobbyist, Pamela Lopez, accused Dababneh of cornering her in a Las Vegas bathroom last year and masturbating while urging her to touch him.”
    POLITICO, In California, harassment scandals roil ruling Democrats, Resignations and turmoil are upending 2018 plans., By DAVID SIDERS and CARLA MARINUCCI 12/24/2017.
    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...sment-allegations-california-democrats-306231

    133. Tony Mendoza, “Dababneh and Bocanegra both denied the accusations against them, while a third Democrat, Tony Mendoza, is clinging to his seat in the state Senate amid accusations of harassment. Mendoza has denied wrongdoing and rejected a request by de León, his ex-roommate, that he take a leave of absence.”
    POLITICO, In California, harassment scandals roil ruling Democrats, Resignations and turmoil are upending 2018 plans., By DAVID SIDERS and CARLA MARINUCCI 12/24/2017.
    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...sment-allegations-california-democrats-306231

    134. Norman Pattiz, “And outside of the California Legislature, radio executive and University of California trustee Norman Pattiz, who was first appointed by Davis and reappointed by Brown, has come under pressure to resign after tape surfaced of him asking comedian Heather McDonald if he could hold her breasts.”
    POLITICO, In California, harassment scandals roil ruling Democrats, Resignations and turmoil are upending 2018 plans., By DAVID SIDERS and CARLA MARINUCCI 12/24/2017.
    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...sment-allegations-california-democrats-306231

    135. Craig Cheslog, “In a separate incident last week, Craig Cheslog, a California Democratic Party regional director from the Bay Area, resigned amid accusations of sexual misconduct.”
    POLITICO, In California, harassment scandals roil ruling Democrats, Resignations and turmoil are upending 2018 plans., By DAVID SIDERS and CARLA MARINUCCI 12/24/2017.
    https://www.politico.com/amp/story/...sment-allegations-california-democrats-306231

    136. Rep. Alcee Hastings, “Roll Call reported this month that the Treasury Department paid $220,000 in a previously undisclosed agreement to settle a lawsuit alleging harassment that involved Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar. A former staffer of a congressional committee that promotes international human rights said Hastings touched her, made unwanted sexual advances and threatened her job, according to Roll Call.”
    THE TAMPA BAY TIMES, Editorial: Congress should be open about harassment complaints, settlements, 12/26/17.
    http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/edi...t-harassment-complaints-settlements_163780396

    137. Sen. Jack Latvala, “One of the accusers in the Politico report, Senate legislative aide Rachel Perrin Rogers, filed a formal complaint with the Senate that triggered the special master’s inquiry. But the Holtzman report said Perrin Rogers and her lawyer scheduled and canceled interviews with her. The other five alleged accusers cited in the Politico story did not come forward, the report said.”
    MIAMI HERALD, Second report produces more allegations about senator’s harassment, BY MARY ELLEN KLAS, DECEMBER 20, 2017.
    http://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article190897444.html

    138. Tony Cornish, “That’s something that Sarah Walker, a lobbyist in Minnesota, had on her mind from the moment she told her story to local reporters. Walker says Republican state Rep. Tony Cornish propositioned her for sex dozens of times and once forced her up against a wall to try to kiss her.”
    THE HUFFINGTON POST, Statehouse Sexual Harassment Tally: At Least 18 Lawmakers Gone Or Punished, By Jen Fifield, 12/26/17.

    139. Rep. Dan Johnson, “And in Kentucky, state Rep. Dan Johnson, a Republican, took his own life just days after he was accused of molesting a 17-year-old girl in 2012. Johnson denied the allegations.”
    THE HUFFINGTON POST, Statehouse Sexual Harassment Tally: At Least 18 Lawmakers Gone Or Punished, By Jen Fifield, 12/26/17.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...east-18-lawmakers_us_5a427bbae4b06cd2bd03dcbd

    140. Assemblyman Steven McLaughlin, “New York Assemblyman Steven McLaughlin, a Republican, received other punishment, including being told he could not hire interns and had to complete anti-harassment training.”
    THE HUFFINGTON POST, Statehouse Sexual Harassment Tally: At Least 18 Lawmakers Gone Or Punished, By Jen Fifield, 12/26/17.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...east-18-lawmakers_us_5a427bbae4b06cd2bd03dcbd

    141. Don Shooter, DEMOCRAT AND CHRONICLE, Don Shooter suspended as appropriations chair amid sexual harassment claims, By Dustin Gardiner, Nov. 10, 2017.
    http://www.democratandchronicle.com...ttee-sexual-harassment-allegations/852817001/

    142. Hadrian Belove, Cinefamily executives Hadrian Belove and Shadie Elnashai — Accused of sexual misconduct. Movie theater shut down in the wake of allegations due to crippling debt.
    THE NEW INDIAN, Sexual harassment allegations: Anchors, moguls, politicians; the growing list of accused, By Associated Press, 01st December 2017.
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...ians-the-growing-list-of-accused-1715290.html

    143. Shadie Elnashai, “Hadrian Belove, Cinefamily executives Hadrian Belove and Shadie Elnashai — Accused of sexual misconduct. Movie theater shut down in the wake of allegations due to crippling debt.”
    THE NEW INDIAN, Sexual harassment allegations: Anchors, moguls, politicians; the growing list of accused, By Associated Press, 01st December 2017.
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...ians-the-growing-list-of-accused-1715290.html

    144. Adams Fields, “Film producer Adam Fields — Accused of offering a promotion to a woman at his former employer, Relativity Media, in exchange for sex. He has denied the allegations.”
    THE NEW INDIAN, Sexual harassment allegations: Anchors, moguls, politicians; the growing list of accused, By Associated Press, 01st December 2017.
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...ians-the-growing-list-of-accused-1715290.html

    145. Andy Henry, “Casting employee Andy Henry — Admitted to urging women to take off their clothes during coaching sessions in 2008 while working on the "CSI" series. He was fired by his current employer.”
    THE NEW INDIAN, Sexual harassment allegations: Anchors, moguls, politicians; the growing list of accused, By Associated Press, 01st December 2017.
    http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...ians-the-growing-list-of-accused-1715290.html
     
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    Republicans lost a supermajority in Georgia because of Trump.

    They also lost a senate seat in Alabama because of Trump.

    And they will lose the house in 2018 because of Trump.
     
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    The Demos lost 2 Rep seats with Illinois and now due to population loss will lose 2 more. Then there is the Demo Hastings in Florida. Who will lose due to Paying out taxpayer money for Sexual Harassment. Then there is the Colorado Rep the Demos lost and the One in Utah. So no your kind wont be taking the House anytime soon. Moreover they will lose Franken's seat.

    The Democrats have no message and they just tanked themselves over Tax Reform.. The country will remember the Demos outright lying. They will remember Schumer and Pelosi not attending a meeting with Trump and Repubs. Plus this Sexual Harassment card your kind played....isn't over and the left will be losing even more seats

    The Demos have no leader, and will only be running on.....gives us the House and the Senate and they will impeach Trump. Not because Trump committed any High Crimes or Misdemeanors. Just because they don't like them.

    Oh and the people "Real Americans" (Not your kind) will remember the Leftness. Trying to invalidate their vote.

    Good luck lil leftist.....stick with your BO peep hope and change.
     
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    Oh its far from over.....there will be more deviates of the left being called out.
     
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    You confuse losing a person and losing the seat. In nearly all of your examples of "democrats losing a seat," the chances that a Republican replaces are mostly nill.

    Republicans are retiring in droves as well. Trump is the least popular first year. A President who just passed the 2nd least popular piece of PROPOSED legislation of the last 30 years. And his party faces the biggest preferential polling gap in modern polling history and one of the biggest enthusiasm gaps in modern polling history.

    Teflon don won't be on the ballot in 2018. You still think you can motivate all the Trumpettes to come out and vote for his republicans when they could be secret RINOs or, even worse, they dared to criticize trump at some point?

    Well you failed in Alabama, a state where he won by 29 points and very publicly voiced his support for Moore - AFTER the sexual misconduct allegations surfaced - and so, I do not like your chances.
     
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    There were 5 other Special elections before Alabama and each time you lefties said the same damn thing. So no.....not much has changed from all those reports on just how dysfunctional the Demos really are. Which btw was reported on by other leftists.

    Let us know when the Demos come up with a message. As running on that Trump is an ******* and they will impeach him. Isn't going to help them win.
     
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    In every single one of those special elections, elections that all took place in locations that are historically very safe for Republicans, the Democrat made the race competitive and outperformed nearly any previous result for a Democrat in that particular district.

    ****ing up Trump's agenda HAS PROVEN TO BE a winning message.
     
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    Surely @MMC will find this cold, hard information interesting:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...view-the-5-off-year-marquee-elections.522262/
     
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