NAFTA or no NAFTA, the $12.43-an-hour pay gap is irresistible

Remember how during the campaigning great promises were made by Trump for the coal miners, threats were made towards the corporations who were planning on moving the Mexico, etc. Well, the miners lost out, and even the Trump Tax Plan, and threats, are not stopping the corporations from moving to Mexico, and still the anti-American "patriots" do not understand:

In another forum I post at the posters there are complete worshippers of Trump as approximately 30% of the voting public appear to be, and many in here. I am sadden by that single fact, however, I would like to know just how it is that they can ignore every piece of evidence presented that Trump is the shithole, not Africa, or Haiti. Take as an example yet another failure of Trump:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...cle_26ff63bf-14a5-5c58-9c48-50f2b3fcf050.html

"It wasn’t supposed to be like this, but the folks who help U.S. companies set up production in Mexico say they’re having a solid year.

Tecma Group has more business than ever in its three decades doing relocation. In just the last few weeks, it aided a maker of cleaning equipment and a packaging company make the move south. Chicago-based Mexico Consulting Associates has three new prospects interested in Mexico. Keith Patridge, who runs McAllen Economic Development Corp., expects at least 12 companies to set up shop in Reynosa alone this year. And another firm, Tacna Services Inc., has assisted two businesses locate in the Baja California area.

President Donald Trump’s vow to scrap or revamp the North American Free Trade Agreement was expected to put a scare into companies considering these kinds of moves. But many are sticking to plans to set up shop in Mexico even if the pact isn’t renewed, according to the experts who help firms relocate and find new plants.

Lots of factors go into the decisions but these companies have made a simple calculation: Cheap labor in Mexico — as much as a $20,000 saving per worker compared with the U.S. — is enough to offset the higher costs of any tariff imposed by NAFTA’s demise. That math shows how Trump’s America First effort to revive manufacturing faces hurdles.

“If they just wiped out NAFTA and went back to normal trade tariffs, I think that’s manageable,” said Ross Baldwin, chief executive officer of Tacna. “Life would continue on because the labor rate is so dramatically different.”

The latest rounds of talks over the 23-year-old trade treaty ended last week, with Mexico and Canada rejecting hard-line U.S. proposals. Negotiations will resume in November but the ministers agreed to put off any resolution until next year.

To be sure, some economists predict a less rosy outcome than do the relocation firms, who have reason to put a gloss on their business. Economists point to studies warning of drastic consequences if the accord is ended — a loss of more than 250,000 jobs in the U.S. and almost 1 million in Mexico, which has been deeply transformed by NAFTA. Trade with the U.S. exploded to $524 billion last year from $82 billion in 1993, the year before the pact took effect.

After his election, Trump used the bully pulpit to shame executives who intended to move manufacturing to Mexico. The campaign worked for a few months as some companies froze their Mexico plans. But the flow of jobs south resumed earlier this year as they weighed the cost advantages."

 

And another thread creation failure.

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So, you don't like the thread, ok.

 

We're not allowed to editorialize in the title; it's a simple, specific rule.

 

Any title could be considered "editorializing" if it relates to the commentary. It is a simple rule of grammar.

In any event, using the comment that Trump failed is not editorializing, it is a fact as the article points out.

 

We just need to use the article title ONLY - that includes people not adding things like BREAKING and MAGA, ironically or otherwise - thank you for not adding to the spamming of the forum.

Interesting/valid topic; Trump's central promise to return jobs/infrastructure to the US was always a very iffy proposition.

 

I notice the right wingers have nothing to say about this failure, one of many, of Trump.

 

The bottom line is money. When we have such huge wage discrepancies between countries, these things are going to happen. Trump, nor any other president, is not a magician.

Old Trapper, do you have a suggestion or ideas on what you think Trump should do to fix this? Or are you just here to beat your chest about how much you hate Trump?

 

I love whiners like you who think only Trump can solve the problems of the country, yet deny when he causes more problems. Long ago I proposed the idea that we return to the concept of the Founding Fathers (and I know how you hate the ideals they had in your adoration for the Trumps of the world), but you see, they did not support corporations, or at least the unlimited kind we have now. They supported the idea that a corporate charter should be limited to 20 years. They also supported the idea that corporations not be involved in politics (bye bye Citizens United). They also opposed international trade save for selling our surplus, in other words, providing for our needs first, others later. They warned against income inequality, but today we have a government led by Trump that wants more of the same. And there are numerous other measures we could do if you had the knowledge to understand what the countries ideals were, not are..

As to your asinine comment about Trump, he is the one who says he is a "genius", and the "only one" that can cure these ills of the country. He was the one that said he was going to keep jobs here in America like with Carrier (who has now laid off 555 workers, or a Walmart that is closing 63 Sam's Club stores and laying off thousands, etc.) The fact that he is a bigot, and a racist, along with being a deadbeat, thieving, coward, is never considered by the bootlickers that follow at his heels. And, of course, they think everyone else is as stupid as they.

https://www.thenation.com/article/thomas-jefferson-feared-aristocracy-corporations/

 

Or until Trump raises the tax rates and import costs of US companies doing business in places like Mexico.

That, also, was a promise.

 

Another one he will not keep, nor did he intend to. It would hurt his class way too much, and his donors would go away.

 

I'm sure you hope that doesn't happen.

Trump seems to be better at keeping his promises better than any other POTUS in modern history, and probably further back than that.

If it doesn't happen, it will only be because Democrats actively opposing everything he does.

So if Trump doesn't get those taxes on companies that move to foreign shores, it will be Democrats who are allowing those companies to flee, not Trump.

 

More partisan hackery, and lies. Like the old saying goes, I am at a loss as to how to respond to such idiocy. Just one minor point, do you think Trump is going to set tariffs on his products all of which come from overseas, or those of Ivanka?

 

Trump saves 1,100 jobs -- and adds 4,000 more

In 2016, Carrier announced it was closing a furnace factory in Indiana and moving it to Mexico.

Barack Obama told people, “What we have to do is to make sure that folks are trained for the jobs that are coming in now because some of those jobs of the past are just not going to come back.”

Donald Trump was not OK with losing jobs: “If I were in office right now, Carrier would not be leaving Indiana.”

Obama mocked him: “There’s no answer to it. He just says, ‘Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.’ Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.”

Donald Trump waved his MAGA wand. Obama's presidency disappeared. The Carrier plant stayed.

In November, the plant announced layoffs. That happens in manufacturing. The numbers became final on Wednesday.

From the Hill:
More than 200 Carrier employees will lose their jobs this week, the company announced.The 215 employees will leave the manufacturer in its final round of layoffs at the Indianapolis facility.Carrier said in a statement the layoffs are part of the company's plan to "relocate fan coil manufacturing production lines," which are moving to a facility in Mexico, according to a reporter from the IndyStar."Following the transition, Carrier's Indianapolis operations will employ approximately 1,100 people," the statement said.

That's 1,100 more jobs than zero.

Obama's nickname is "Zero".

Meanwhile, Toyota and Mazda made an announcement:
Japanese automakers Toyota and Mazda on Wednesday announced plans to build a huge $1.6 billion joint-venture plant in Alabama that will eventually employ about 4,000 people.Several states had competed for the coveted project, which will be able to turn out 300,000 vehicles per year and will produce the Toyota Corolla compact car for North America and a new small SUV from Mazda. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey and company executives held a joint news conference to announce that the facility is coming to the Huntsville area not far from the Tennessee line. Production is expected to begin by 2021."This is indeed a great day in Alabama," Ivey said. "Thank you for believing in the potential of our people in the great state of Alabama. ... Toyota and Mazda, thank you so much. Welcome to sweet home Alabama."

Trump keeps waving that MAGA wand.

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/01/trump-saves-1100-jobs-and-adds-4000-more.html#more

 

Right-wingers are going to act like companies magically decided to raise wages because of the tax cuts.

The real reason that companies will raise their wages is because the US reached near full employment and so the companies actually have to be competitive in order to keep reliable and competent workers.

A lot of larger companies will pocket billions while trickling a few hundred million down on their employees while handing out tens of millions to their executives.

 

Wall. Sharpshooters. Undercover pinkertons hunting down those illegals who make it through

 

Not to mention all the changes that are spelling the end of the 40 hour work week by ending overtime pay, meaningful medical care for permanent employees and a whole host of workplace support that made America Great in the 40s to the 70s, but now are all moving well on the way of the dodo bird!

 

The vast majority of savings is government imposed cost of an employee. simply comparing compensation, freight rates often more than offset the labor savings. when you consider total burdened labor cost and reasonably dense packing good, the payoff is there. its much closer than most think though when you also consider cost of quality and utilities. an overhaul on healthcare to remove this cost from companies and back to the open market would more than turn the tide. perhaps a change to ss as well.

 

lol, I see your not interested in meaningful discussion.

 

and then, all that money will be spent or invested in a more efficient and productive way than the gov would have spent it.

 

overtime pay is law, but you seem to not realize the American laborer is not globally competitive with the current burdens that do not actually go to the person performing the labor.

 

also, we've continually been forced to add more and more HR support to cover the endless regulation. we're going to have to take a long look at manufacturing in this country.

 

Most of President Shithole claims are unattainable........

However it didn't stop the Reality TV star using them to rile up his base. Such a Con Man

 

As tax cuts take hold we will indeed achieve full employment and wages will rise along with the GDP. See the handwriting on the wall here for a Trump second term?

 

For every action there is an......................hopefully you know the rest.