Incidentally, any developed nation have a black majority?

LoL civilization in Africa is the oldest on the planet

And yet, the least developed

 

Yeah, they've also contributed nothing to the advancement of the human race.

Nothing

 

And what makes YOU so special. You stand on the backs of others and proclaim yourself useful, but the only thing you have in common is the color of your skin - not the content of your character. You are nothing.

 

Do people consider South Africa to be developed? I do but not by the black population.

 

What are your measures for "developed" and prosperous? Those are vague terms that can means very different things.

No nation on earth has an economy close to ours. Our 19.4 trillion GDP is almost double China's 11.5 trillion. Brazil is the 8th largest economy at 2.14 trillion. Spain doesn't make the top 10 list. Neither does Norway. Nor Russia. Nor Sweden. Italy is number 9 and Canada number 10.

So it sounds like Brazil is more than emerging, it's in the top 10. And it also sounds like you don't know what you are talking about as you are just going on race and not data. Try data for a change. It will make you less racist.

 

Which ONE do you say?

 

Your inability to refute the facts is noted.

 

I like to see those who have studied world history and contribute as you do. I myself am aware of all these past civilizations but what i'd like to discuss is what explains that history took a turn to where Europeans started to dominate the world. Why didn't Africa conquer the world? Why are most developed Countries today mostly non-black? We can blame European imperialism, colonialism and slavery but this isn't a satisfactory answer because this doesn't explain why blacks weren't the ones that conquered and dominated to begin with. European imperialism and colonialism is a product of greater strength and advancement, why wasn't it the reverse? Claiming that Africans or native Indians were just more peaceful makes no sense, clearly they were less advanced at the point Europeans conquered.

Going back thousands of years to talk about African civilizations doesn't quite explain why we saw them go backwards and Europeans (who used to be barbarians with obvious exceptions) eventually took over.

It is common knowledge that the tropical zones are much less developed than the northern zones. Again, Canada has a higher standard of living than USA, USA higher than Mexico and Mexico higher than central america. Around Europe, Sweden-Norway-Finland have higher standard of living than France, Germany but France and Germany have a higher standard of living than Italy and Greece. It is clear that climate has played a very big factor. The cold winters require more sophistication and over a long period of time, citizens of Countries in the colder zones have simply developed faster and become more advanced, out of necessity. It just so happens that whites have largely inhabited the north and blacks the tropics so i don't think genetics or race explains it, it's climate. It's a simple fact that humans need to be smarter and more organized to fare well in winters and this has fueled more progress, over many many years.

 

No ruins in africa, the part we are talking about, to attest to what you said. What characterizes civilization? One thing, buildings and monuments. A written language, literature, and technology. What is sub saharan africa's contributution? Where are the remains of their civilization? Never have I heard of one single important excavation of this part of africa. Where are the great cities, their remains? Even the Indians of the new world created great stone monuments, pyramids, which required technology. Where is the comparable in africa? Any civilization there came late, late, late, and it never arose as it did in the middle east, India, China, and the New World and you damn well should know it. The ignorance here lies right between your eyes.

 

Or why the African diaspora resulted in more of what we still see in sub-saharan Africa? Blacks in Haiti is the result of the slave trade, which decimated the native population due to disease. What happened? Well, we can see for ourselves.

I'm beginning to think that all of this hoopla over Trump's comments about immigrants from the third world has more to do with an attempt to stop people even thinking along the lines of why third world countries still exist. They have the internet in Haiti as well as Detroit, so why does it feel like those places are experiencing the dark ages? The sum total of man's history is just a google search away, most of all the important stuff long since in the public domain. If Haiti wants to have a democratic republic, our constitution isn't copyrighted and trademarked and patented.

Instead of taking Haitians, why don't Haitians take the reasons why some countries are advanced and others are open air toilets?

 

Yeah, why are third worlders immigrating to the first world and ruining it?

Instead, first worlders should be immigrating to the third world and fixing it.

 

Blacks are "good at sports"?? YOU RACIST!! HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!! APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR RACISM RIGHT NOW, MISTER!!

Edit: Uh, er, ok, I've done some research (I'm not a big sports person), and uh, maybe you're not that far off....then again, just MAYBE the lighting is real bad on all these pictures and most of these superstar athletes are Asians, I don't know.....by the way, what does the N-word in "NBA" stand for?

 

"Open air toilets"? HAITI? Noooooooo......

 

Yes, there are different definitions of what it means for a nation to be "developed" and the OP failing to providing anything substantive has resulted in different understandings of what meets that standard.

Africa was unfortunate enough to have been looted of resources while receiving next to nothing in compensation for those resources. That means that the funds necessary to achieve parity with the rest of the westernized developed nation don't exist. Interesting to note how this stripmining of resources is happening to the American middle class now with an effective downgrading of our quality of life. The Appalachians are a stark warning of what is to come if things are not changed for the better.

Back to Africa and we are in agreement that the HDI is abysmal. That might change if the demographic boom works in their favor as some are predicting.

 

You didn't actually read my post, did you? I actually listed a number of civilizations that left cities & ruins. Using your own knowledge as a yardstick is clearly a poor idea. maybe start google. You ignorance is staggering, if unsurprising. You clearly treat your own very limited knowledge as the limits of human understanding, rather than the product of one very limited mind.

The empires of Ethiopia, which created the great temple at Yeha and had cities all over the Ethiopian plateau. I've been to the ruins myself. Ethiopian priests read a written language that is 1500 years old and evolved from written languages that were around before Christ - when most of Europe was either without written language or using the language of an occupying Empire. Written languages also developed in the great empires south of the Sahara & in Nigeria.

The Nubian empires in modern day Sudan, the great empires on the southern side of the Sahara, of which there were a number and 'Great Zimbabwe' in southern Africa all constructed great buildings and had cities. Many of the empires I listed had cities too.

Maybe you should spend less time lecturing others and more time reading. It would improve your posting in every possible way.

 

The problem isn't lack of compensation, its corrupt & authoritarian ruling classes. There has been plenty of income generated from resources and trade in numerous nations. The problem is that it hasn't been invested in infrastructure, health & education. Instead it has ended up in the hands of local elites who have doled out crumbs from the table to their local clients while filling their bank accounts & constructing state apparatus designed to make it near impossible to replace them. You mentioned Jacob Zuma. A great example of most of the above. Fortunately he is being replaced.

Lack of democracy, lack of transparency, lack of re-investment in society and corruption are the major problems in Africa, and they are essentially home grown. The resources are there to create much, much more successful societies. They just aren't used well. Its the same problem the world over. Africa is just starting further behind.

 

You claim blacks have small minds? I await your evidence. Lol

 

This is a discussion for a different thread, rather than one riddled with racism, ignorance & nasty personal agendas.

Your 'tropical v cold' formulation is way, way too simplistic. Great empires sprung forth in tropical Asia. They weren't that far behind the European empires they encountered during European colonization. Unfortunately a slight edge can create an advantage that rapidly multiplies and create the illusion that the gap at the finish is inevitable. But for the whims of a particular Chinese Emperor huge ships sailing out of decidedly 'tropical' ports in southern China might have pitched up in Europe before the discovery of the Americas.

Africa has some endemic issues, one of which is soil quality. Most areas won't support the sort of intensive cropping that Europe can, and those that can (such as Ethiopia) were not well situated to produce the sort of globe striding empires that Europe produced (though Ethiopian rulers did control territory on two continents.

Why civilizations ended up where they did is a complex issue that too often ends up being misrepresented by the bigoted & feeble minded (who seem drawn to this thread like flies to *****) to the point where intelligent discussion is often impossible. The agenda pushers cherry pick rather than discuss, ruining any intelligent discussion.

 

The "great" temple of Yeha looks like something fred flintstone would consider a pile of rubble. Sorry, but in comparison to the rest of the world's great buildings, it's a hovel.

 

Considering that it was built without mortar and this is still standing is a testament to the engineers who did the original foundations 2,700 years ago.



How many modern building would survive this long?

 

Dude, my house is bigger than that.

 

This is what the average American McMansion looks like after a tornado.

 

That's also bigger than the "great temple of Yeha".

Looks to be in better shape, as well.

My point is that it's not the antiquity of the thing, but rather that even at its height when I'm sure it had a roof, this "great" temple was a minor accomplishment, at best.

 

How many of those civilizations produced something directly comparable to the free standing rock hewn churches of Lalibela? (better rush off to google again).