Rush says Hawaiian false alarm was no accident

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  1. Tim15856

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    How long has that system been operational? Is it part of the 911 system? In PA I believe the state runs the special warning system for Three mile island around me. Is it a similar system?
     
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    Oh THAT'S conspiratorial, but the notion that they intentionally put out a false alarm isn't. Interesting
     
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    "They" would be conspiratorial but if one lone TDS victims did it it's not a conspiracy. The conspiracy would be to cover it up by "they" which may be happening but creating a fake screen shot crosses a line into what could be criminal conspiracy and that's another level. You could be right though, who knows.
     
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    I think you're missing the point I was making about a screen shot.. my point was a screen shot would prove absolutely nothing, because they are super easy to fake. Would it be conspiratorial if they intentionally created a false alarm and then faked a screen shot? absolutely.. but the conspiratorial part wouldn't be the fake screen shot, it would be the intentional false alarm.
     
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    The best part about this is that the right claims it was intentional in order to scare the population and make them less willing to engage in nuclear war, I guess?

    Haha man. The right really does want to first strike nuke NK. Incredible.
     
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    I highly doubt there is anything more to the story than some dumb government employee who "pushed the wrong button". There's nothing to be gained by making some bonehead mistake like that.
     
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    "They" would be conspiratorial but if one lone TDS victims did it it's not a conspiracy. The conspiracy would be to cover it up by "they" which may be happening but creating a fake screen shot crosses a line into what could be criminal conspiracy and that's another level. You could be right though, who knows.
    It would be both. I think the real conspiracy though is the media covering up just how inept the Hawaiian warning system is. That's the more likely conspiracy here. Who designed it? They should be fired if it's that easy to make such a critical error.
     
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    If it was intentional it would be to use the event to bash Trump in the media and by Democrats which was immediately done.

    Hawaii Democrat: false missile alarm shows Trump failure on North Korea
    Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard says state takes blame for panic but claims it revealed flaws in White House approach to nuclear-armed Pyongyang

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...e-false-alarm-north-korea-trump-tulsi-gabbard

    "The false alarm in Hawaii revealed an abdication of leadership by Trump"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-leadership-by-trump/?utm_term=.51bf930714ab
     
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    No need to go through all that trouble just so bash Trump. Plenty of other things to ridicule him for. This theory doesn't hold together.
     
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    I tend to agree with this take. But my curiosity is piqued a little bit by the notion that it really is some government nobody who is going to sound that alarm? Does that seem plausible? Have you read the book "Command and Control" by Eric Schlosser? Or "The Dead Hand"? Both are incredible forays into the systems world powers have developed to deal with (?) missiles and attacks. Crazy books, both of them. Anyway, I'm left with a feeling that there should be a pretty legitimate protocol in place to set that alarm in motion. Certainly plausible that it's literally some stooge in a windowless office clicking a button, but man, I hope there's more there.
     
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    Yeah there is definitely something amiss here. Conspiracy or incompetence take your choice
     
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    Funny!
     
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    Well, I hope that both false alarms were human error and that the world is not being psychologically readied for world war.
     
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    Translation: You have no argument so you start screaming *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
     
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    So you put all 3 quotes into one answer and you still didn't understand what was written.
     
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    Not only that, but Hawaii set up this spiffy missle alert system that would warn of an actual launch, then had absolutely zero plan for the populace to survive other than OMGOMGOMGOMG.
     
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    Well you can't run. Even minimal survivability for a short time would depend on very expensive, long-term civil engineering projects.
     
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    And just how would anyone know what party affiliation he is or who he voted for?
    The application?
     
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    I understand you think that man would be vilified if was a known R.
    Yet no one will no anything about his political leanings if he chose not to state them. Unless, it was part of the application process.

    And I find you think he'd be vilified as such, laughable.
     
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    Yes, what could be wrong with "one man" sending a missile actual launch, then spend 40 minutes not correcting the mistake, then have no plan in case of a missile launch in the first place.

    I always love to watch liberal governments in action. Lot to learn about both liberals and government there.
     
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    Rush had to chime in on this. He has 3 hours to fill. That's got to be tough.
     
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    Why don't you tell us what the plan ought to look like.
     
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    Sure. I'm glad you asked, thanks for the opportunity.

    First of all, any "missile detection system" should be directly tied into the military/federal system of missile launch detection, and not run out of the local 7-11. There should be no stand alone system in Hawaii.

    Secondly, a multi-tier authentication system should be in place for ANY emergency system. No one person should have such capability.

    Thirdly, such a system, by itself, is useless without some kind of plan as to how to survive the launch. The purpose of the warning system is to give people as much notice as possible to get into shelters, or to get as far away from the projected impact point as possible.

    Do the residents of Hawaii know where to seek shelter for the best possible chance of survival? No, it seems they do not.

    The entire scenario, from the stand up of the system, to the software, to the people using the software, to the lack of planning in the event of an actual launch paints the government of Hawaii as completely incompetent.
     
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    Sure.

    Let's pretend that the government, large corporations, academia and other bastions of liberal "thought" don't actively seek out conservatives to cleanse from their ranks.
     
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    No, but you could be told that methane gas infused, flood during a missle attack sewers aren't an ideal location.

    The best you can do is get into a large concrete building and go as low into that building as possible....not look at the flash....have water and supplies on hand in a "go bag"....

    While there isn't time to row away from the island in a raft, there are things that you can do that will increase your chances of survival, and it seems none of that information was part of their genius missile detection "system".
     
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