What Will Happen if the Government Remains Shut Down?

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Congress fails to come to an agreement, the government shutdown that officially began at 12:01 a.m. Saturday would continue indefinitely. Hundreds of thousands of federal workers would be furloughed, affecting a wide range of government programs.

    Critical services that protect “human life or property,” like air traffic control, and programs like the United States Postal Service that have alternate funding sources would continue.

    The chart is on the link below. It does not cut and paste correctly

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/19/us/politics/government-shutdown-employee-effects.html

    Interestingly, who the Democrats are most shutting down on behalf of non-Americans is:
    #1 Housing and Urban Development
    #2 The EPA
    #3 The Department of Education
    #4 The Commerce Department

    Those 4 are nearly completely shut down, 95%.

    If you look at the list, I suspect a fair number of Republicans would like those agencies at the top of the list to have radical cuts in staffing and power anyway, if not completely closed down.

    Other than the Democratic Party wants to cut off all pay to military personnel and veterans, and apparently wants American children to die for lack of medical care in order to obtain citizenship for non-American children - most who actually are adults - President Trump and many others may not be terribly concerned of many federal agencies the Democratic Party is shutting down remaining shut down.

    While states could possibly stop the Democratic Party's attack on Americans from killing American children for lack of medical care, possibly as Commander In Chief and President he may have the authority to IMPOUND various federal funds to pay the US military as a declared fundamental national emergency - which shutting down our military is. If he could do that, let the Democratic Party continue to show just how deep their hatred of Americans and the United States runs.

    If the President has ANY emergency means to pay the military, he should 100% stand his ground as the Democrats are MOST attacking their OWN favorite government agencies, not just a hostage taking attack against ALL Americans.
     
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    Weees all gonna DIE!
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously Democrats are the anti-environment party since they just shut down the EPA on behalf on their corporate masters.
     
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    Everyone seems to assume the government will be reopened quickly. NO ONE is pondering what if it doesn't? What if a month from now there still is no budget? Why does everyone assume that won't happen?

    The Democrats are determined to 1.) damage the USA and Americans as much as possible figuring it will land on Trump and Republicans and 2.) absolutely want 10 million more foreign socialists in the USA both as voters and to flood the job market to keep wages at the minimum for the global super rich and corporate interests who make them millionaires.

    On the Republican side, there are the malcontent losers of Graham, Paul, McCain, and Flake whose singular motivation in the Senate is retaliation against Republicans and the President.

    So there is no 60 votes to be found in Congress. On the other hand, if President Trump yields on this he is slitting his own political throat as would be the Republican Party.

    So, with these realities, how is a deal even possible?

    What House Republicans SHOULD do is break the budget into separate proposals per item. A budget bill ONLY funding the military. Those who oppose it? Obviously rabidly anti-US military personnel. A separate bill to finance medical aid to children. Anyone who opposes that obviously wants American children to die in their quest for their claimed superior rights of adult-age "children" non-citizens.

    The House should pass President Trump's immigration reform proposal and send it to the House, which include DACA but also border security, end chain migration and end the VISA lottery. Anyone who votes against it obviously is against DACA.

    Both sides are both so dug in and their egos and political futures so wrapped up into this that the shutdown could go on for weeks or months.
     
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    I doubt most of us will even notice.
     
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    I think what happens is we'll see just how much of the federal government we can do without.
     
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    If the military was funded, I would hope this continues. States can pick up providing healthcare to children. Go ahead and let the Democrats keep 95% of the people at the EPA and Housing and Urban Development on furlough - other than call it a layoff. They should not be paid back pay for days they don't work. States have EPAs and Development programs too. Local school districts should take care of education to being with anyway.

    Just turn it back to the states and make it permanent - a permanent shutdown of most federal agencies - the slack to be picked up by the states.

    Besides, the Democratic Party is the party of the Confederacy. So they certainly should approve of what they did - shut down federal agencies so the states now have to take care of such matters. Who knew the Democrats could be made into furious state's rights supporters?
     
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    I wonder what motivated the Times to publish that story.
     
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    In September 2013, Trump declared, "[P]roblems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president's the leader. And he's got to get everybody in a room and he's got to lead. [Obama] doesn't do that. He doesn't like doing that. It's not his strength. And that's why you have this terrible situation.... It's very embarrassing worldwide."
     

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