APNewsBreak: Border wall models thwart US commandos in tests

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  1. jay runner

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    Not finding it, but after searching HD even a type II Werner aluminum 40' ladder, a shaky minimal duty ladder, is 73 lbs. I doubt this will be found in any industrial or business application, just diy'ers taking the risk to get by cheap.
     
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    Actually it certainly does. Unless we are willing to use force to stop anyone deciding to "beat" this wall it is essentially ineffective. Regardless of how tall or thick the construction in will be breached and then what. I suppose we could simply hire a few tens of thousands of border patrol to catch them physically and ship them back but that is rather pointless and unlikely. Fortunately the "Problem" is minimal in the first place as illegal crossings are a very small part of immigration....drugs are far more of an issue and the wall will have no effect on this.

    Anyone who evaluates this idea seriously and armed with rational fact based thinking understands it is a complete waste of time and resources.
     
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    No one would be ignorant enough to use ladders, tunneling, boats or coyotes but flying is preferred.
     
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    When Lewis & Clark wintered in North Dakota on the Missouri they didn't know that any Indians would attack them. They still went to the considerable trouble and hard toil to build a fully defensible walled fort, Fort Mandan.

    A wall is a good basic method of separating "not us" from "us."
     
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    Profitable for illegal drugs, but would it be profitable for unskilled illegal aliens?
     
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    Flying is the most effective way for illegals to enter the country, but they must have both the means and an excuse for a visa. Work visa, student visa, etc.
     
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    And then we invented extension ladders.
     
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    Yet again you show your ignorance of how rugged the vast majority of these areas are. Anywhere a ladder truck could get to would be an easily patrolled choke point. At least you admit these morons saying using a ladder would be simple are indeed morons. I'll give you that
     
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    Liberal whistling past the graveyard

    You arent fooling anyone
     
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    Unskilled illegals would be a side profit for drug dealers. Since they have the equipment to set up transportation of drugs, heroin mixed with fentanyl are the best bang for the pound, running a few illegals through is just beer money for the worker bees running the operation since all of the drug money goes back to the cartel.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/fentanyl-by-the-numbers?utm_term=.gr5ody6Mam#.bml4NZ5oRB
    A kilo of heroin nets a dealer $60,000. A kilo of fentanyl? $1.2 million
     
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    Translation: Once again I admit I do not have a single fact or figure to prove my position so I'll just name-call, make false accusations and otherwise try to dazzle my friends with bullshit.

    I knew you didn't have a single fact to prove the effectiveness of a wall against illegal immigration.
     
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    It will be the spendthrift "conservatives" who'll do the whistling after blowing BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars on Trump's Folly for a minimal effect against illegal immigration.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...n/july_2017/most_voters_say_no_to_border_wall
    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 37% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the United States should build a wall along the Mexican border to help stop illegal immigration. Fifty-six percent (56%) disagree.
     
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    Chip 'em to track 'em. Invade their person with semiconductors, and send them back if they refuse.
     
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    Anyone that makes it over the wall is rounded up and deported just as now. The big difference here is the difficulty factor that will stop a huge percentage of illegals and the fact that those few who get over the wall will be easier to round up.
     
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    It can be seen then that the upper echelon of these illegals are killing Americans with illegal drugs. We need death squads to track, hunt, and kill cartel transporters and dealers.
     
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    Why not just make every American chipped to verify they are a citizen? Scanners in every public place. If a non-chipped person comes by, ICE will leap into action.

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    Here's simple question for you. What's easier and likely to have far more attempts made?

    1: Step across imaginary line called the border.

    2: Get over a forty foot wall designed to be extremely difficult to get over.
     
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    We will just have to agree to disagree on the wall

    Just as I think you are pissing in the wind to hope that democratics will enforce the employment laws and send illegals home after they get here

    Did you miss whats going on in california where the governent is practically telling employers they have to hire illegals?
     
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    ROFLMAO!
     
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    As Hawking said, perfection does not exist in this universe. But that should not stop the effort of keepin' on trying with all the ingenuity and force possible.
     
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    Americans have birth certificates and personal histories that are vettable. No need for chips in natural born citizens.
     
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    Exactly. We lock our doors of our homes and lock our cars but burglaries still occur and cars are still stolen. If we didn't lock our homes and cars there would be far more burglaries and stolen cars. You do what you can do.
     
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    Like I Said "Anyone who evaluates this idea seriously and armed with rational fact based thinking understands it is a complete waste of time and resources."
     
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    Sea wall.
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    Interesting comment because I would say the same thing making the opposite point. We need a secure border and a wall would be an integral part of that in applicable locations.
     
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