‘We will prosecute’ employers who help immigration sweeps, California AG says

Law breakers sentenced to jail break up families all the time. Do you have a problem every time that happens?

 

I certainly do agree that situational ethics are necessary in life. And I agree there are many shades of gray in many daily transactions and interactions.

But I think that in the case of separating families, things become less gray and more black and white. I do not see how separating families can be a moral act.

The Germans separated families because the law said so, and it seems we are doing the same thing for the same reason.

St. Paul noted in Corinthians II that the letter of the law gives death, while the spirit of the law gives life. There must be a better way to do things.

 

That depends upon the nature of the offense, situational ethics. That a convicted murderer be separated from his family is one thing and perhaps necessary.

That a man with a lack of proper paperwork be separated from his family is very much another matter.

 

You didn't answer the question.

When people break the law, they tacitly accept responsibility for doing so. After all, it's well known that even ignorance of the law is no excuse.

When a father or mother breaks the law, they risk incarceration. This happens every day, and it separates families.

Are only families containing illegal aliens to be placed in some special class so they can avoid that?

 

I’m 3rd generation and planning my exodus. Nice thing is our kids and grandkids have all decided on the same New location. My youngest and her family are already there. Both my son and I have to sell our homes but he has found employment there and is chomping the bit to make the move. Hopefully 2018 is when I see California in my rear view. There will be a pile of bullet buttons below the California border sign.

 

Lack of proper paperwork......

You mean he illegally entered the country, and has illegally been residing in the country, and perhaps illegally working in this country.

I don't do the PC left game of inventing new descriptions to make thing appear better.

People go to jail for far more things than murder.

Which crimes should be excluded from prison sentences if the man has a family and children? Extortion? Assault? Bank Robbery?

 

No, I agree that those who break the law, including those who violate their oath of office by breaking the Supreme Law of the Land, should certainly be punished for their transgressions.

Further, I recognize that there is good law, and its opposite, bad law. So I adjust my judgment accordingly, more situational ethics.

In my view, there is a huge difference in quality between breaking a law and thereby hurting people, and breaking a law by not having the right paperwork.

 

Do you think that prison is the only acceptable punishment for breaking the law? Do you understand that when it comes to character development for younger humans, being imprisoned works against good social order? As W.H. Auden alluded to, those to whom evil is done do evil in return.

IMO, prison should be reserved for those who are predators. A doctor who somehow violates a Medicare law can be punished for that violation in many ways. Prison as the only possible punishment likely works against society.

 

Well, I wish you luck with your adjustments. The law doesn't work by emotion or opinion.

 

Twilight Zone.

 

Well, with illegal aliens, deportation wouldn't be prison, so I'm not sure what the problem is, if prison is your issue.

On the issue of predators, a pretty good argument could be made that illegal aliens are predators, so I'm not sure you want to go there.

 

We also see a difference

Thats why bank robbers go tto jail but illegal aliens merely get deported

 

That's true. It is also true that when poor example is set by those charged with enforcing the law, ultimately the law gets no respect from the people.

When politicians and leaders are exempt from prosecution for blatant violations, the rule of law is thereby sacrificed.

In a social model like ours, in which supposedly all men are equal before the law, when certain classes are exempt from obeying the law, the rule of law is pretty meaningless.

 

And sitting politicians are not even prosecuted. Yes, thanks.

 

Maybe so

But the issue here is illegal aiens not government corruption

 

Oh really? So I guess that the growing problems with gangs is synonymous with being extraordinary citizens, causing massive unemployment and underemployment among legal denizens and citizens alike if quite fine with you? How about because some construction companies hire the illegals and companies that only hire Americans and legal denizens have been forced out of business, as it has already been posted. I guess these things are OK with people like you, until is strikes you or one or some of you loved ones; nothing should be done to impede the influx of foreign citizens (citizens of other nations)? Also, what you are saying is that it is A-OK to dance around immigration laws as long as it fits and agenda the you support, such thinking is toxic.

As far as Mr. Trump and his spur, he is not illegally here, nor has he impeded nor impaired service members of the United States Armed Forces. Before you seek to criticize Mr. Trump for not going into active duty, I think you really need to focus on the draft card burning, fleeing to Canada and others nations, Leftists whom many are in support of the illegals being in country. Your fallacious diatribe has earned you no points, as far as I am concerned. Every time those on the Left, begin to lose an argument, here you all go with pointing out the speck of sawdust in another person’s eye, while ignoring the plank in your own eye. In other words, you tend to resort to hypocrisy as a shield for your own gutter behavior.

 

Silly silly guy anyone who is in the DACA program all 800,000 or so of them have to have a completely clean police/criminal record to be in the program so no gang members.

Next if you can get a doctor to sign you out of the draft why would you need run off to Canada or anywhere else or take part in draft protects such as burning your draft card for that matter?

Next Trump wish to allow only the highly skill workers into the US the kind of workers who will take the jobs of college level Americans not fill the needs of the farmers or the nursing homes and such.

To sum up we are below replacement level so without new blood we are going to end up with a rapidly aging and decreasing work force.

 

As to completely clean police/criminal record:

https://www.immigrationequality.org...d-action-for-childhood-arrivals/#.WmTq7uRy42w

Individuals who meet the following criteria can apply for deferred action for childhood arrivals:

• are under 31 years of age as of June 15, 2012;
• came to the U.S. while under the age of 16;
• have continuously resided in the U.S. from June 15, 2007 to the present. (For purposes of calculating this five year period, brief and innocent absences from the United States for humanitarian reasons will not be included);
• entered the U.S. without inspection or fell out of lawful visa status before June 15, 2012;
• were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making the request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
• are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a GED, or have been honorably discharged from the Coast Guard or armed forces;
• have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor, or more than three misdemeanors of any kind; and
• do not pose a threat to national security or public safety.

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So not completely clean, but you're point is reasonable.

 

Interesting that California would be bold enough to officially obstruct justice after all their accusations about Trumps obstructing.

 

More interesting is that California would appear to create their own immigration laws, after boycotting Arizona for attempting to do the same.

 

LOL no gang members that for damn sure.

 

Families are broken up all the time through divorce, death or incarceration.

You ignore the fact that it is the families that choose to break up.

 

As with every issue, if congress could take action it would all be resolved.

But they can't be relied on to do anything right.

 

Do we have any fugitive slaves that you know about? The only "rule of Law" that I can think of that is unjust is the right to a abortion as it infringes upon another's right to life. As the law was revisited on slavery perhaps the law on abortion will be revisited.

 

Yeah, sure they do. Being in country illegally is a criminal act. Also, usurping federal immigration laws is a criminal act, regardless if DACA was instituted through Executive Order; all immigration regulations, rules and adjustments must be rendered through an act of the United States Congress,. you know, that pesky part of federal government that is mandated by the Constitution for the United States of [North] America. What former President Barack Obama did via DACA was and is unconstitutional.