Handgun permits?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's wrong with the idea of requiring a permit to buy or possess a handgun?

    The State will issue such permits. They will do a fingerprint background check and NICS check to make sure you're not a criminal and have no outstanding warrants.

    Renewed every four years. Cost decided by state.

    what's the problem?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    No problem at all
     
  3. 6Gunner

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    Big problem. Gun ownership is not a state granted privilege. It is a RIGHT.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so is Freedom of Speech, but you can't hold a demonstration on the National Mall without a permit.
     
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    So what?
     
  6. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Are you comparing a demonstration on the Mall to owning a gun in the privacy of one's own home?

    I can stand on the Mall and curse the government all day long.

    Will anyone who applies for a handgun be allowed to have one if they are not prohibited?
     
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    I'm not talking about a demonstration on the National Mall, and frankly I think demanding a permit to allow someone to exercise their Free Speech rights is wrong too. I'm talking about someone having a right to personal defense, and self-defense is one of the most fundamental rights there is.

    So you don't give a rat's ass about the Constitution, or people's rights, or anything else that matters to someone with any sense of integrity or personal responsibility.
     
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    Remember this poster implied that he and his New York friends are so much smarter. They know best for the rest of us.
     
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    Yep. And like most totalitarians they believe they have the right to shove their beliefs down our throats and make us conform to their worldview.
     
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    someone told me today that most Liberals are illiterate, so yeah there are lots of attacks going around
     
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    The best thing to do is place yourself above the name calling.
     
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    Let us being with the issuing officers intentionally exceeding the maximum allotted time to either approve or deny the application, leaving the individual with no choice but to wait for who knows how long before they are ever given an answer.

    Second is when the application process costs more than the firearm itself.

    Third is when those who are authorized to issue the permits are provided the leeway to deny applications without good reason.

    Fourth is when those who are authorized to issue the permits are caught in the act of taking bribes to provide permits.

    Fifth is that the permit requirement is easily violated by criminals.
     
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    They have a right to free speech...doesn’t mean they are right in what they spew.
     
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    The same problem with requiring permits to own a computer, a typewriter and having what books you read and own collected in a database.
     
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    "Cost decided by state." How much would the City of New York charge in order not to have 3 million new handgun owners?
     
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    Are those who subscribe to conservative ideals responsible for burning down their cities, engaging in widespread destruction of public and private property, and random acts of assaults against others, simply because they do not get their way?
     
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    $100,000 per year per gun owned. Only the rich could afford to be armed and New York would turn around and give all the money to illegal immigrants thus encouraging more illegal immigrants looking for handouts.
     
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    I will give up my guns for $100,000 per year per gun. I would have enough to hire a bodyguard.
     
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    N.Y.P.D. had much trouble in recent years, with the Commands Police Officers running the pistol license division, this at Headquarters, 1 Police Plaza.

    Very high cost, charged by N.Y.P.D. not the State, the State issues a license to carry issued along with the City permit, not valid within the 5 boroughs, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, Staten Island, Bronx.

    May issue by the City of New York at the discretion of the N.Y.P.D. where the Second Amendment is subject to Administrative Internal policy of a Police Agency.

    Most jurisdictions do not require a license to purchase handguns, the Background check is performed at the Gun store, a State issued I.D. is presented, and a form 4473 is inscribed, so a license to purchase is redundant paperwork, many shall issue locales require a concealed carry license, issued by a Sheriffs Department or State Police Agency or Municipal Agency.
     
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    other than being unconstitutional and worthless in deterring criminals and harassing honest people?

    we should require permits before anti gun posts be publicly uttered.
     
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    I think what we have is someone who has to have a permit to own a handgun upset that many of us do not need such permission from left wing scum bag politicians. He wants to make us suffer the same stupid laws he does.
     
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    you are confused. you are inappropriately pretending one very narrow version of speech should equate to general gun ownership. MAJOR FAIL
     
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    1) It is a violation of our Liberty

    2) It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment in our constitutional / de jure constitutional Republic

    3) It violates the concept of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty

    4) It is a prelude to registration and registration is the last step before confiscation

    5) It sets a bad precedent. Why not have background checks and permits to organize a church? How many people have been killed in the name of religion? In my lifetime, Jim Jones conned over 900 people into committing suicide under the guise of religion

    6) If you have a Right to do something, you should not ask for permission

    7) If people have served time cannot be trusted, why do you keep putting them back onto the streets?

    8) The criminally insane should be kept in protective custody

    9) Registered humans and registered firearms are no less lethal than unregistered ones

    10) The government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take all you have

    11) EVERYTHING is wrong with tyranny. You don't see the anti-gunners leaving the U.S. to go to oppressive countries that do not acknowledge unalienable Rights

    12) Gun control does not reduce crime NOR does it make free people any more safe.

    You were saying?
     
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    Do you have a permit to post here?
     
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    Won't consider it till voter ID is required...but that's racist according to you Dems.
     
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