Turkey Will Attack US Kurds In One Week If They Don't Withdraw

And now Mattis wants to ignore the entire global jihad to concentrate on harmless, and more importantly non-Islamic Russia and China. Honestly you couldn't make up this ****! WTF is going on here!!!

 

If I was a Russian, like I mean a real Russian patriot, I would immediately get a screen shot of the quoted post above and email to GLAVSNET (Kremlin Troll Factory in St Petersburg) because this poster absolutely does nothing but HARMING Russia's hard earned credibility and "somehow" positive image in the global political stage. A real Russian patriot wouldn't share fake news from his/her media like this...!

1) YPG troll accounts claim YPG destroyed Turkish tanks in Afrin.
Actually they stole a destroyed tank image published on ""SPUTNIK"" website several weeks ago.





2) YPG troll accounts claim destroying Turkish tanks in Afrin. Again, they stole an image published by a French news website on "DECEMBER 2016". The original image is from Yemeni clash.





3) YPG troll accounts claim many Turkish soldiers are wounded or dead. They stole an image published on Turkish Milliyet News website months ago. The original image is from news about Turkish soldiers suffering from food poisoning in Manisa Turkey.



4) YPG troll accounts claim this time they took many Turkish soldiers as prisoners. Again, these pathetic life forms stole an image published on Turkish AA news agency ""YEARS AGO"" (02.23.2015) The original news image is showing Hizbullah troops captured by FSA in Aleppo.






So... I'm warning all true Russian patriots of this forum about this poster once again:

The person is NOT who he/she claims he/she is. Many of the person's posts are either full of this much of lies/disinformation/manipulation or complete nonsense/out of subject materials. The only thing the poster does is stirring up all true ideas of true posters to help increase the number of "mentions" of particular key words on the internet. That's what GLAVSNET type of Russian Government Contractors are paid to do... They attempted to send people to me because I revealed many truths about their ugly faces but I am no clown like them. This man served years in foreign lands like a lone wolf... Ain't no easy pie for them motherfrackers... That's fa damn sho !

 

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YPG/PKK/PYD calling for civilians through the speakers at minarets in Afrin to fight against Turkish troops:

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Milliyet-Tv/embed/Default.aspx?VideoCode=y388kM1ISxo6

 

The photos in the news rarely refer to the actual fact. They mostly 'illustrate' the news. So there are millions of such things over the Internet. Check it yourself. with Google tools. Take yout credible source, pick the news which is not from official sources like briefing (sometimes it happens even there), press-conference and which is burning. In most cases it will have not a photo but illustration. The text itself doesn't refer to the picture. It tells what the kurds told. I don't see any fake news about it. The kurds told so. Whether they are lying or not will be seen after the conflict. Besides, I don't know why are you so negative about these news. It's a war. So there are wounded people and lost machinery.

PS. Could you provide me with contacts of this glavsnet. If I get paid for my hobby I would certainly share it with the community.

 

Well its been over a week, and as usual the pipsqueak Erdogan was just mouthing off. I called it!

 

This doesn't quite make sense to me.

Isn't the Russian government supporting the Turks in their attack on the Kurds? And if so, why would they want to circulate pro-Kurdish material (even faked-up pro-Kurdish material) about Turkish defeats? Surely they would want to circulate material about happy Kurds welcoming their Turkish liberators, evil Kurdish militiamen, prompted by the US, torturing people to death, etc.

 

Russia and Erdogan surely must have an agreement. But the inner propaganda in neither Russia or Turkey can change the view of each other that sharply. Russia for sure is not blessing this action, but is 'allowing' it. Basically it tells Erdogan that Russia won't protect kurds, the US wouldn't protect them. Basically both powers left behind corner to see who is the winner and how it is all going. The news is just the news. Some kurds told that they destroyed an armor. Some guys told they saw a wounded Turkish soldier. This is the news... Subject - reference.

It is difficult to see propaganda here. Maybe if we make statistical investigation the quantity of such news will be able to affect the public opinion. For instance to regard this conflict and kurds as only victims, schoolchildren attacked by greedy and stinky... I don't see anything like that.

 

'Official' propaganda is, for today's sophisticated internet users, easily seen through.

The Communist propaganda of the old Soviet Union and Communist China never seemed convincing to me, because it was so obviously BS: happy workers and peasants unanimously exulting in the latest triumphs of socialist industry, led by their wise and benevolent leaders ... what idiot would believe that.

Good propaganda will mix pro-regime material with some critical information. You'll feel you can trust the source, because it's not obviously a paid mouthpiece repeating the belches of some grey bureaucrat. It won't lie outright, just accentuate the positive and downplay the negative.

I think most authoritarian and totalitarian regimes have finally learned this technique ... except perhaps the North Koreans.

In any case, you've got to read both sides in a conflict, and always be skeptical. It was Lenin who said that "anyone who 'takes someone's word for it' in a political fight is a simple fool who can be dismissed with a wave of the hand".

 

Your question is based on a wrong opinion that everything in Russia is controlled by Putin personally. Russia withdrew its military police from Afrin two days ago, so the official Russia's position on Turkey's intervention in Afrin may be described as non-interference and not-approval. Russia doesn't have any obligations in respect of Afrin Kurds and Russia officially supports the territorial integrity and independence of Syria. So, Russia neither supports nor approves both the undeclared independence of Syrian Kurds and Turkish occupation of Kurds' lands. This is official position. But Russian media - even the firmly state-controlled ones like Sputnik - may have their pro-Kurd narrative, and Kremlin simply doesn't care about that.

 

Americans and Europeans started to cry about Russian trolls when they have some troubles, like Clintons which lost the election which could never be lost. What's now? Your turn? But you haven't lost this war yet...

 

That (the post above the one above this) sounds like a reasonable explanation, thanks.

 

Nothing being said in the MSM can be believed about Assad. He has the full support of the majority of the Syrian people - and they keep trying to show it to the outside world through videos of crowds cheering him but they are hidden from the American people. Even Kerry said that the only way anyone else could win in an election, would be if Assad didn't run.

Our government had plans on overthrowing him for about 10 years, and the CIA and Soros supported NGO's have been working on it ever since. The usual scenario is to start the demonizing by referring to someone as a vicious dictator, while the NGO's will encourage people to protest for more rights. When they start protesting, they insert snipers into the crowd to start shooting protesters and police.

In Ukraine the bullets that killed the protesters and the police came from the same gun. The Georgian and Lithuanian snipers who were hired are now starting to speak out as well.

This video by RT has the taped recording between the Pres. of Estonia telling Ashton how the bullets that killed the protesters and police came from the same gun. I like when the reporter asks how will Europe react with the news. Well there was no reaction, because the public was never told.



This is a video of General Wesley Clark saying that Syria is on the US hit list after Iraq.

 

Uhhh Goody, did you ask the people in Syria how they feel towards Turkey, or doesn't it matter to you?

By the way Lavrov said that the border guards might have been a deliberate provocation by Washington considering how they backtracked later on. Has Turkey fallen into a trap? One has to wonder?

 

That's the problem with dictatorships. They don't have free elections, so it's easy to say that the reason they don't is that the dictator would lose. But it might be that he wouldn't. It's hard to tell if you're an outsider.

It's like Singapore: not a state which is high on the Civil Liberties list, but one where the ruling Peoples Action Party unquestionably has the support of the overwhelming majority, because it has taken them from Third World to First in two generations. But ... the ruling elite there believe that if they allowed Western-style freedoms, it would all go to hell, or at least make life a lot more difficult. So they don't. (They ought to pay more attention to Taiwan, S Korea, Japan, which have also prospered while allowing troublemakers to march in the streets.) However, they do have elections, and if you really want to cast a protest vote, you have the Workers Party to vote for. And it sometimes wins constituencies from the PAP. Just so long as it doesn't get too oppositional.

But on Syria ... it's entirely plausible that the average Syrian, seeing the chaos that the American attempt to 'bring democracy' to Iraq caused, and then the absolute hell that the overthrow of Gaddafi created, might well have decided not to roll the dice with their own country. Especially if they knew its internal situation regarding sectarian divisions among the population.

Interestingly, the hard Left has split on this issue: many take a pro-Assad line, or at least give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's an enemy of the Americans and therefore must be supportable. But others are much more critical of Assad, and put their trust in what they call the 'democratic forces' among the opposition.

For those of us without privileged information, it's hard to tell whether there ever was a real mass anti-Assad movement that was also secular and democratic. Certainly the large number of refugees would indicate that a lot of people didn't like the government.

In any case, best for the West to keep its nose out of Syria.

 

So, you are saying the Kurds moved in and grabbed some of the syrian state for themselves? Is this a fact? If so, then it makes sense why the US is going against Turkey here who are acting in their own national security interests. Of course the problem is, it is only the US which has any right to act in its own national security interests. The Kurds in Syria are not in our security interests, and yet there we are, meddling one again in something which is none of our business.

Nothing but neocon PNAC still at work in our foreign policy. It seems self evident. And look at what PNAC has wrought in the middle east. We are piling up really bad karma, and yet will once again act so innocent when the blow back arrives.

 

Well, what is in my backyard belongs to me. SO, Syria belongs to Turkey? I do understand thought that if the Kurds grabbed them a section of Syria, stole it, on Turkey's border, I can see this is a national security interests for Turkey, given your own Kurds, and the tribalism of the middle east.

 

ISIS was previously Al Qaeda in Iraq. They were defeated by US and Iraqi forces in 2008. They made a come-back as ISIS only after Obama abandoned Iraq .
Some arms intended for moderate Syrian opposition groups may have ended up in the hands of ISIS or affiliated groups. That doesn't mean it was intentional.

 

Obama didn't abandon Iraq, Bush the Lesser did. The withdraw was simply scheduled such that it fell on Obama (typical Repub move) to oversee it.

 

Uhhhh because you did and got proven records of 90% majority feeling negative towards Turks... I'm sure all those results backed by unbiased researches too... lol...

Let me tell you this; only few morons think there's no "CULTURAL/ETHNIC/NATIONAL" ties between Turks and Syrians. And because those morons are not updated with necessary background knowledge by their owners, they often harm the very cause too... Hope I just didn't get into a discussion with one of them now...

By the way, are you still dreaming on things your foreign ministry makes up for you? Because last time I checked Lavrov openly declared on very beginning of December 2016 that Astana meetings which would've had to be held in early 2017 were still being discussed whether they were as necessary to be held or not. Same Lavrov also announced that the trilateral meeting that was to be participated by Turkish, Iranian and Russian foreign ministers was canceled. He's said many times that he's been concerned with Turkish Euphrates Shield operation. Your dear Lavrov was also saying back then that they were still "considering" the normalization steps that were required for Russia to take immediately as agreed by both countries officially on previous meetings...

Guess what? In less than a week Lavrov declared the date for Astana meetings, urgently called for the trilateral meeting, and signed a new trade deal that would allow Turkish products entering Russia...

Who had such great power to come up with a plan to turn everything upside down in that short period of time????

Let me tell you a little secret here: Some of the posts of some stupid trolls help a lot for ""motivation""...

I am positive Mert Altintas was shown what Russians were thinking about Turks back then...

 

Oh for heavens sake the refugees left because they didn't want their children and families caught in the war zones. That's what they told the Greeks on the islands when they got there. They came with a great deal of money, and the Turkish traffickers were charging $10,000 a person. They had been getting mail inviting them to Germany - but the mail didn't come from Germany. It seems they were being sent from California and Britain.

Most of the Syrian refugees went to Damascus to be under the protection of Assad, especially the Christians who didn't want to be fuel for the head choppers. They also went to areas protected by Assad's army in Aleppo and Latakia.

As for voting for Assad, well how about the following video. It's about the 20th time I posted it, but somehow it doesn't suit certain agenda's so the same nonsense keeps popping up over and over again. You can listen to the American observers at the UN and what they experienced.

 

Let's be honest for a moment... How many Americans do you know in person? Like born and raised and attended everyday to the pledge growing up? Believe me there's so much more into them than what you see in those stupid TV shows and movies. I respect you because at least you don't have no problem with appearing here as your true nationality. That's a good thing.

Now I didn't bring the issue with Russian trolls just now. I've been on to them ever since the SU-24 incident. These weaklings can't calculate where their words would end them up at. They were anti-Turkish back then and look how they are silent about tons of many things. I on the other hand can criticize Turkish government, Russians, Americans, Europeans... Because dude, I am so fckn REAL !

 

@goody I'm not sure I've caught your point. I used to know some Americans, all of them were very nice persons, by the way. I suppose I was always honest to you. But your bashing of semi-mythical "Russian trolls" looks a bit ridiculous. Mighty Russian trolls are here, there, everythere... I think the attention to that is extremely exeggerated. And the same time you repeatedly refer to some Russian politilogist whose name is Dugin. According to you Dugin is a sort of close to the closest Kremlin pool, secret philosopher and very influential person, Putin listens to his opinion, but that's not true, I told you many times. So, what's the point to blame "Russian trolls" when you are glad to trick yourself?

 

Kurds Blame Russia For Allowing Turkish Ground Assault on Afrin

Kurdish figure Aldar Khalil said that the Kurds in the city of Afrin had rejected a Russian proposal to avoid “Turkish intervention in the city,” as Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) lambasted Moscow, blaming it for the assault on the northern Syrian city.

Khalil, a YPG commander, said over the phone on Saturday that Russia had asked the Kurds in Afrin to hand over their regions to the Bashar al-Assad regime in order to avoid the Operation Olive Branch campaign which Turkey launched against Kurdish fighters in the city in the northwestern Aleppo countryside.

Khalil added that the Kurds in the city of Afrin had “rejected the proposal and decided to defend all their territories,” according to the Russia Today website.

This comes as the YPG militia slammed Russia and blamed it for that was happening to Afrin, according to a statement it issued.

The statement said that “the Turkish army could not have carried out this attack without the agreement of the great powers, led by Russia, which had deployed its forces in Afrin. Therefore, as much as we blame the occupying Turkish forces for this attack, we also blame Russia for this operation and any massacre which occurs to civilians.”

http://www.syrianobserver.com/EN/News/33746

 

Kurdish reinforcements still moving through government lines to Afrin

BEIRUT, LEBANON (5:40 P.M.) – According to residents from the government-held town of Al-Zahra’a in northern Aleppo, Kurdish reinforcements are still moving through government lines to reach the Afrin Canton.

This latest claim by residents in Al-Zahra’a come just two days after similar reports were released by Syrian military personnel in the Aleppo Governorate.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-reinforcements-still-moving-government-lines-afrin/