Zimbabwe: Some good news coming out now that Mugabe is gone

Perhaps had those whites not arrested, tortured, and murdered black people in Rhodesia for wanting equal rights and the vote, maybe they wouldn’t have had all the problems they’ve had over the last 30 years.

But the tiny white supremacist minority couldn’t stand the idea of “darkies” being equal citizens.

 

That never happened.

The White people acted solely in self-defense when the blacks resorted to their usual violence.

They are not equal in that shithole country.

Obviously.

 

Ah, so when Rhodesia declared unilateral independence because the white minority didn’t want to let the black majority have any political rights, you are saying that they freely gave equal citizenship and the vote to the black majority without using any violence to suppress their freedoms?

 

Did you want them to give the right to vote to infants and children as well?

 

Nope, but giving the votes to all adults would have you know brought them into the 20th century. But the white supremacists in Rhodesia couldn’t stand the idea.

 

And have the children run the country at the expense of the adults?

 

Adult blacks were children?

Let me guess, if you were in charge, Rhodesia would still be ruled by white supremacists, gunning down any blacks that asked for equal rights, right?

 

They weren't supremacists and they never gunned down anyone who was not committing violence.

 

They were supremacists, your “children” language to support keeping adults blacks in Rhodesia from voting is just emblematic of that.

And they did gun them down when they protested and refused to take “No, go home darkies and work on our farms to make us rich” when they asked to be able to vote.

 

What has happened to that shithole of a country is proof that the White people who used to run the country did it the right way.

 

What a load of bull!! There was even a left wing poster on here with the name "bringdownmugabe". But it is easier to sit back and just blame "the left" on everything. Don't like the whether - blame "the left" for worrying about climate change

 

They did it the right way for whites. They were the only ones who benefited while the black majority was disenfranchised and enpoverished.

 

What I think is interesting about Zimbabwe (and South Africa) is: once the whites lost power, why did they stay? Didn't they know what was going to happen? It's what they had been predicting before they lost power, it's what happened everywhere in Africa when the Europeans ceded control to native leaders ... so why did they stay?

Not even the most ardent it's-all-the-white-man's-fault white Lefty would dream of moving into a Black area -- they're not stupid. So why did the whites stay?

I used to correspond with a white liberal living in South Africa. She described her home ... it had locked steel fences inside the house, at the top of the stairs, so if criminals broke into downstairs they couldn't easily get upstairs. Who would live like this voluntarily?

Let's assume it's all the white man's fault, and that had whites never come to Africa, it would be a continent of happy, prosperous, educated, advanced peoples today. (Stop laughing, I said "assume".) The fact is that they did come, things are what they are, no matter whose fault it is -- so why didn't the whites get out, or try to, when the locals took over? Are they stupid?

 

There was never, ever any important Liberal/Left celebrities complaining about Mugabe's regime here in America. They only supported Blacks in South Africa. Completely biased. Completely bigoted.

 

It is true that Africa post-liberation has been a huge embarrassment to the Left, so by and large they just avert their eyes from what goes on there, or try to blame the whites. "Mankind cannot bear too much reality."

But there are some principled Leftists who are not afraid to 'say what is' and to make trouble for African tyrants. In Britain there is a fellow named Peter Tatchell, who gained notoriety in the 80s when he called for a mass sit-in to blockade Parliament (where Margaret Thatcher had a majority). About 20 years ago he tried (twice) to make a citizen's arrest of Mugabe when the latter visited Britain. (Very unBritish of him, but then, he is really an Australian.) Read about him here.

Of course the white Rhodesians were on to a loser in trying to maintain racial-supremacist rule. What they should have done was to take Rhodesia through a forced-march to modernity, as happened in Britain, by removing racial requirements for voting, and replacing them with some combination of educational-level/state service/property ownership qualifications. Ideally a few whites would be excluded, but in any case, an increasing proportion of the Black population could have been admitted to full citizenship, including participation in government. Probably wouldn't have worked -- I don't know what could have ended Ndbele/Shona hostility -- but it just might have led to a better outcome than simply handing the country over to Mugabe's thugs.

 

What counts is that whites in the United States structured a whole society based on the notion that blacks are inferior to whites. IN FACT WHAT CONTINUES TODAY IS THE EFFORTS OF WHITES, LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IN THIS THREAD, TO CONVINCE OTHERS THAT BLACKS ARE INFERIOR TO WHITES.

 

It exists in the US as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_United_States

 

It doesn't have a thing to do with the left. It has to do with the truth. The truth is that whites are at least partly to blame. Recall the case of Patrice Lumumba

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...atrice-lumumba-50th-anniversary-assassination"

Hell, the CIA was even going to poison the guy, but the hired killers had already done it.

 

That is one of the most moronic things that has ever been posted in a forum. It was no paradise for the native blacks who were tortured, mutilated, murdered, and enslaved.

If that's your idea of paradise, it is a very twisted notion to say the least.

 

where do you live ?

 

Why?

 

People have no idea how brutal life for non-whites was in colonial/apartheid Africa.

 

While I deplore apartheid and occupation, it's hard to say any place was truly settled in certain parts of Africa. My parents are from India and before the British they had the Muslims coming in, and before then the Hindus had tribal wars for thousands of years. It's hard to pin point who exactly are rightful heirs to land.

 

The concept of whites occupying non-white lands and oppressing the natives still exists today; it's known as Ashkenazim run Isreal.

 

Yes, thanks to our southern border and illegal immigration.

Supporting illegal immigration is the supporting of human trafficking.

Even so, that level of human trafficking is nothing compared to what is going on in Africa.