Is God competent or incompetent?

The Bible teaches morality is for a woman to be subservient.....I think this is immoral

 

He's much more than competent.

I think the biblical admonition would be not for women to be subservient, but to simply refrain from becoming a Madonna or a Miley Cyrus. I would think the same prescription would apply to men; as not to become Harvey Wiensteins. The Bible. One of the greatest texts every composed.

 

No..the Bible very specifically says the man is head of the house. It says nothing about Miley Cyrus ...or ted nugent for that matter
Here is just one. I have many more

• In Ephesians 5:22-24 we find this: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands ."

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Yeah. Our views have certainly evolved over the millennia. Many scholars have suggested that the Bible, held dear by millions, is metaphorical more than literal.

“Submit” and “subservient” are certainly words we wouldn’t use today, and to hold a staunch literal interpretation of this cherished text would be a disservice to yourself and your loved ones.

Contemporary women priests exemplify this evolution and it must be remembered that Jesus held Mary Magdalene in the highest regard.

Keep this text bedside, understand it’s metaphorical nature, shield your daughters from the perversity of MTV and the like, and grow strong and marvel at one of the greatest texts humanity has ever produced.

God bless.

 

Renee , the Bible says there is neither Jew nor Gentile nor male or female, we are all one in the Body of Christ. By love we must serve one another. Ever hear those teachings? I also know it says to submit one to another. Are those teachings you don't want to here? Jesus washed his disciples feet.... is that something a liberated women would not do? Sometimes I think part of the "womens movement" is just the same rebellion common to both men and women. They serve themselves only.

 

Renee I don't have all the answers as to why little babies die in part of the world with no rain. I wonder what I would try to do to save my baby in that situation. I would definitely pray for wisdom on how to get out of there. There is death and evil in the world. I will depend on God to overcome. Life is just a vapor compared to eternity. I'll pray for improved quality of life for everyone I know. You too.

 

We know prayer doesn’t work

 

Submitting to one another is not the same as a woman being told she is to be subservient to her husband .
You use his disciples as an example of what, I don’t know...but they were all men. Why no women? What does washing feet have to do with feminism?
You are right the women’s movement served “themselves” .whats wrong with that? It was about gender equality and it serve to help man as well.

 

But not when it comes to homosexuality...then the Bible is literal.

 

The bible is not metaphorical. It is a historical work of fiction and should be viewed as such.

 

You would would you.

He shall rule over you. Do not teach or speak in the temple.

Find the same prescription applied to men or admit that your religion is homophobic and misogynous.

Regards
DL

 

Renee, you seem to love to quote pieces of the Bible, but that is all you quote....pieces. The Bible clearly states is is not right for one sex to hold dominion over the other. I could quote them again here, but you do not want to hear it. What the Bible does state is a practical order of things necessary to avoid chaos in a fallen world. You do not wish to see that apparently. You have said the Bible is immoral and you do not believe in a unifying God. I have a question. You have "judged" what is to be moral.

Apparently, the only credentials you have for that judgement, given your stance on human existance, is resulted from a "chemical reaction" that has taken place between your ears. How does that hold preference over the chemical reactions that take place between the ears of others?? There apparently according to you is, no moral compass that would ever hold point on what is a "moral absolute". Each person is an island to him/herself and only a totalitarian collective can establish rule where it runs ruffshod over others. We see that system seem to grow in America, while in the past we lived comparedly free in a society that was guided by a system of often unspoken absolutes. We have had trouble in the past holding true to those "absolutes" but that is the condition of which we have improved. MLK was outspoken for those moral absolutes and played a big part in promoting them and establishing further, Cvil rights. Would you deny those accomplishments?? They didn't just come from a chemical reaction between his ears. The mechanism for thhis chemical reaction was blown appart by a sniper rifle, but his" Dream" lives on, and it wa clearly derived from the Bible that you judge as "immoral".

 

You say that I like to quote parts of the Bible, but so do you. You can show me lines that contradict others. But yet when it comes to homosexuality everyone seems to think it’s ok to quote Leviticus the same way people quote the Quran to justify their bigotry
You give the Bible credit for avoiding chaos....I credit laws. Do you really think those who do not believe in the Bible have no moral compass?
I find it interesting that you fear a totalitarian government and can’t see trump as a wannabe autocrat . do you think he is a man of God? For the life of me I cannot understand how people who throw up the Bible can condone an adulterer and a man of such low morals.
I am glad you get comfort from the Bible but to me I find it a book written by a bunch of men trying to dictate morality....from their perspective.
Please Understand, I respect your right to believe, please respect mine ,not to.

 

Since you ignore the "why", your post is a total fail.

 

Renee I do respect you as a person. Sure they quote Leviticus, and they could also quote the subject in the Gosples and Epistles. Behavior is an important theme of the Bible, but the most important theme is "the changing of heart".

Let me add how I see Trump. He is an imperfect man. I do not judge his charactor so much as I judge his accomplishments. I can find fault with anyone I judge. That is a theme often found in the Bible. I do know his accomplishments sit right with me and what he is doing does as well. But say Trump was to suddenly turn on a dime and allow amnesty for those that violate our borders....I would look for a new leader.

 

Chastisement without correction just shows the hate in your heart. You ignore the good advice in your bible. Then again, most theists do.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

What "why" are you talking about? Why does God fail to get his way?

Regards
DL

 

Again...you ridicule theists that view the Bible with certainty, yet you quote scripture surprisigly more than they do. God always get's His way (Thank God) I wwould not want to live in a world where you get your way. We would be mindless robots where you get your way AND....there would be no love.

 

Most theists deserve ridicule.

Love does not kill when it can cure.

Your loveless God always kills and never cures even though he could do either.

You say God get's his way yet ignore the many times I have shown he does not.

Real bright of you to give a pass to a failure.

Regards
DL

 

Irrelevant.

Without addressing "why" God does these things makes your argument foolish.

Its the same as claiming a teacher is incompetent solely because a student failed a test, ignoring the reason why the student failed makes all the difference. But of course you aren't interested in an actual examination of Gods motives and the "why" of people's failure, you just want to smear God.

 

So you expect readers to accept your definition of "love" that is only generated by a chemical change that happens by pure chance between your two ears. I get it. That's all it is, a chemical change that evolved out of swamp mud by chance and your chemical change is superior to the chemical change of every other human being on this ball we call earth that was just created by a fluke of chance. I see your perspective now.

 

How is gay behavior different than your behavior or my behavior? The gay people I know or just like me, they love their families that go to parties they are involved in politics and they love their partners

What were his great accomplishments? Of course we can find faults with anyone, but such poor character should not be honored. His Impulsive behavior is dangerous and his egomania should concern you. It is sick behavior. I am sure Jesus would not think trump a good person and the hypocrisy of those who follow him
The dreamers should be allowed to stay here....what is so sad is the people that struggle to come her, come with the same dreams of my ancestors and to run from oppression.

 

What is the motive of those babies dying of starvation because an omnipotent god won’t make some rain? A teacher is incompetent if everyone fails his test, a god is Incompetent if he allows everyone to starve

 

Our ancestors faced oppression and did something about it. That is the difference. If you want to be American....you get in line and respect our right to have laws. If a parent with kids bust into Disneyland without purchasing tickets, they are removed and the parents get all the blame. Not so different here. People that are gay DO have rights and personal value, but not because of their behavior. I don't understand why it is so important to you that others endorse that behavior.

King David of the Bible, ancestor to Jesus, did things that are detestible and seemingly hypocritical. However the Bible described him as a man after God's own heart. You need to understand and grasp that concept to understand how Christians can support the direction that President Trump is moving the country.
Some of his accomplishments would be removing excessive regulation. Electing Constitutional / non-activist court judges, tax reductions, American first immigration agendas, lowering corporate taxes, making American business safe once again from over confiscation of earnings....I could go on and on.

 

NOn activist court judges? Like the kid who couldn’t answer any legal questions? Like the Supreme Court justice he appointed? Tax reductions? I have to assume you’re very wealthy....The non partisan cbo office says it will hurt the poor and middle class...but it will help the billionaires ...I am lucky to have married a man who came from poverty and rose to vp at smith Barney and Solomon brothers and was able to retire in his 40s . We used to pay a lot more in taxes and it didn’t hurt us one bit. If we cut taxes for the rich, we also have to cut needed programs, like education , Medicaid etc.
trump is moving the country .....but what you see as a good way, most of the world and the country sees the very opposite. He is alienating our allies and we are the laughing stock of the world.
Sometimes people are desperate...if only fdr didn’t turn away the
St. Louis. The reality is we need the Immigrants who are here, the dreamers should be no question. What do you think Jesus would say?
Please tell me about gay behavior and how differs from mine..I hope you’re not reducing it, to how they make love.that is none of your business or mine.

 

You are right...it is none of my business and they should keep it private, but they don't. American citizens are actually below zero population growth. Why is that? Partly due to narcissim on my generations part and the idea the world is overly burdened so therefore we shouldn't have children, partially due to abortion, and partially due to a wave of same sex relations. That is why we need immigration to grow. And partially a turning away from God's provision. I am wealthy, but not monetarily. It is a concern of mine how I will retire, but I will eventuallly. Activist judges are those that wish to legislate from the bench. I see the economy spurred on by Trumps actionbs effecting me incredibly. My savings are seeing a return, confidence in the ecomomy have spurred on my cabin rentals (while under Obama, they barely covered sales tax) I am getting calls for building and remodels.. When you tax corporations, you don't tax individuals. You tax poor shlubs and middle class that need to pay for their products and services. It is a real farce of government.
Your husband did quite well and I am glad for you. What would he have done if these millions of illegals had come looking for jobs in the financial business? They would work for half his salary. How would you be doing now??....mediocre at best. It's hard to compete with those working under the table when you try and do it right and legal.. Probably most who aren't in the white collar professions have felt the sting whether they realize it or not. My trade I learned as a young man showed great promise and demand. It was never considered I'd have to compete with foreign invaders that never played by the rules and the government would turn their back on me while holding my feet to the fire! Things like audits and insurance requirements that illegals never face.