Is God competent or incompetent?

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  1. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What he made was legs and a back bone. Legs to take you where there is water. Most places don't have room service. He gave you free will. If you'd rather sit in the sand and allow your child to die, then that's on you not God.
    When did God let everyone starve? I missed it somehow and apparently so did you since here we are posting.
     
  2. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    That is belied by my asking you "What "why" are you talking about?"

    I do understand that you have no way of knowing the why that you mentioned.

    An honest poster would have just said so. My fail for your incompetent genocidal son murdering prick stands.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    It is not my love that is at issues here. It is the lack of love of your God who kills when he could just as easily cure.

    Strange that your chemistry and thinking love kills when it could cure.

    You trying to hide that is why you deflected to me and chemistry. Rather hypocritical that.

    Regards
    DL
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now that reply makes an awful ot of sense! We need more of that. Thanks.
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Why, if that were so, would God torture and finally kill King David's son after 6 days of torture?

    And why do you adore a God who tortures babies because of hos anger with the parents?

    Does that seem fair and just to you?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe he left the curing to your almighty deified scientists to handle and BTW no one dies...........ever.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Chemistry is all you have....that and chance. It all change with the wind. That is why you have absolutely no definition of "love". If so, it changes with the wind. The Beatles delare" Love is all you need" ....other songs say "I feel like making "love" to you. Pretty shallow definitions in my book So what qualifies you and your definition of love?
    I prefer this one.... For God so "loved" the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whosoever would believe on Him would not perish but have everlasting life." That was not generated from the chemistry between my own two ears.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you decide it was God doing this torture? Something you make up. Mark of the "accuser". The serpent was smart enough to do that. It's nothing remarkable.
     
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    I will give you your point on God starving people or babies.

    Your free will gambit is garbage though.

    Did the first born of Egypt have their free will choice to live when God murdered them?

    Did all the people, children and innocent babies have their free will choice to live respected when God drowned them all in Noah's flood?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Again, deflecting Christian, it is God's love in question and not mine.

    I am not surprised to see you dancing away from the issue at hand. You are as inept as your genocidal son murdering God.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Try answering my reply to our friend without deflecting.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Your bible tells me so. Have you read it?

    Do you not believe your own bible?

    Regards
    DL
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you should study a little more. The Bible states that at the time of Noahs flood, ALL the people, with the exception of Noah's family, were incredibly evil....they did nothing that wasn't evil.Child sacrifice, orgies, murder, mayhem, drunkeness, abuse, you name it. God has shown most of us those things are wrong. It was unlikely many innocent children were even allowed to survive especially since life spans were so much longer. If their lives were cut short, it saved them from the incredible evil described.

    But like the word "love" you have your own definition of evil derived from the chemistry between your own ears. You may not even acknowledge the evils I have described as evil. God is sovereign, not you. He decided to do a "start over" with the only family to choose Him over lust. I tend to agree with Isaiah's words. "Woe to those who call evil good...."
     
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    I missed God's trial. You're saying that God murdered someone? Were there any witnesses? This is a very cold case. There was a natural catastrophe that caused a flood - happens all the time.
     
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    Again you indicate that killing is better than curing, while ignoring that your God said that justice was more like an eye for an eye.

    You are of your father, the devil.
    You have the same immoral satanic views of good and evil.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    I see that in this case, you choose to ignore the bible altogether. The usual Christian hypocrisy.

    I did not miss the trial. here is some of it.



    Regards
    DL
     
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    Take a look at the effects your past choices have had on your life. "you reap what you sow" Karma.

    God=the father=the creator=the truth
    Holy Spirit=the mother=the nurturer=the love
    Christ=the son=wisdom=the forgiveness

    And because they are eternal, until you learn those lessons, you just keep retaking the class...
    http://www.markmason.net/ch16ex1.htm

    Then Jesus says, “For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom”
    Matthew 16:28
    Anyone know of someone that is still living after Jesus was crucified?

    Does any Christian really believe that God is like Trump, who sends those to hell that do not worship him?

    Being "born again" is reincarnation.

    There are billions of solar systems in this galaxy, with trillions of planets....and billions of other galaxies with trillions more planets. Now really, why would God make so many other places, if this is the only marble in the universe with "so called" intelligent life? In my next reincarnation, I hope I get to go to a place with REAL intelligent life.

    There are many reasons for reincarnation....some go to higher existence that learn their lessons...others go to lower existence that don't learn the lessons....like Hitler and Trump. So many cruel people are now living their next many incarnations in Haiti, and Syria, and so many other hell holes. It's the only explanation for so much suffering. God doesn't make people suffer, their Karma makes them suffer. God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, evil did. Same with Nazi Germany.
     
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    That's a totally secular perspective, not a religious perspective. In Christianity (and many other religions), suffering on earth is temporary, a mere blink which will be forgotten in the afterlife. This life is a test with many distractions put in a persons path, distractions such as hunger, wealth, lust, greed. Everyone has a choice, make the right choice and you pass the test and move on to the afterlife and all the rewards that brings. If God makes the choice for you, then this existence is pointless.
     
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    If God were to "cure" evil, we would be nothing but mind numbed robots, or godless for sure!
     
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    Who can put God on trial but those that see themselves as gods.
     
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    Yes - neither you nor I believe that the Bible was written by God and I'm not a Christian, but there is a God but he's not how Christians think he is, sitting on a throne, listening to incessant prayers. It's a whole lot more complicated than that in my belief system. You have a soul and you have free will and you will live forever.
     
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    LOL, you have no substance with which to reply.

    The "why" is in the Bible, all you have to do is read it. But of course you won't read it, because you don't really want an answer.
     
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    Yes he could have made this place an Eden with no disease and no hunger. But we're here to learn and work and you'd learn nothing having grapes fed to you all day. And the topper is - you chose this life.
     
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    The creator doesn't destroy, so a cure for evil is the answer. That's what happens to those that accept the truth. And God has enough patience to wait an eternity....but God won't have to wait that long...it's as easy as turning on a light switch for God.
     
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