Pro-Abortion Extremism in the U.S.

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    Banning abortion is not just extreme; it is stupid. It would only create a black market, and expand medical tourism. Not to mention the young women who will keep their pregnancy a secret and risk their lives to avoid prison. Do we really need to imprison more than we do now?

    I suppose those who can't think past the tip of their nose see value in banning abortion.
     
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    1) No one is talking about sending these women to prison! 2) Women do not have an uncontrollable desire to kill their offspring. 2) Pro-Life laws reduce the number of abortions: https://www.heritage.org/marriage-a...tate-legislation-the-incidence-abortion-among

    Check out this article: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448340/abortion-restrictions-pro-life-laws-are-based-science
     
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    No, no Anti-Choicer wants to admit that if women commit a crime (abortion) they will go to jail.

    If abortion is banned that makes it illegal. If someone commits an illegal act they should go to jail....or don't you agree?

    Why wouldn't they go to jail??







    Yes, some do....but killing OFFSPRING has nothing to do with abortion.







    So what if there are laws that restrict women, take away their rights and treat them as broodstock.....that doesn't make it right and DOES NOT stop abortion....

    It certainly will never stop wealthy women from obtaining an abortion where it's legal and/or private enough that no one knows.

    You want to punish poor women ...the very women who need the most help! How inhumane and cruel...



    I asked you a question and like all those other questions you are unable to answer "Shouldn't the U. S. avoid Anti-Choice extremism?""


    And making pregnant women the property of the government is pretty extreme...
     
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    You are the friend of poor women because to want to pressure them into killing their children?! That is beyond ridiculous.
     
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    OK, now you're frustrated by facts so have to resort to flamebaiting :)
    NO WHERE did I post I wanted to pressure any woman into anything.....:)

    Anti-Choicer failing= insults and lies.

    I don't want to pressure poor women into anything UNLIKE Anti-Choicer's who want to force women to gestate like slaves were forced to gestate ...
     
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    Please try not to be so dense. Obviously poor women don't have so many options and many feel pressured by their financial situation into getting an abortion. The lies of the abortion industry are another tool of the elite for pushing women to get an abortion.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/25/does-pro-abortion-rhetoric-harm-women/

    Planned Parenthood wants to hide the truth from women: http://www.lifenews.com/2015/04/06/...en-should-not-see-the-ultrasound-of-the-baby/
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    OK, now you're frustrated by facts so have to resort to flamebaiting :)
    NO WHERE did I post I wanted to pressure any woman into anything.....




    There's the expected insult from a typical frustrated and factless Anti-Choicer :)





    Poor women, ALL women, have and should always have TWO options, have the kid or not.





    So if you don't want them to abort write them ALL a REALLY BIG check...:) You want to save those "precious lives" don't you???





    I asked before WHAT LIES?

    But you can't even say what they are.....so there really aren't any, admit it....




    If you had anything at all you'd be able to answer questions, you didn't , you can't, you have nothing :)
     
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    Aren't your clueless attempts to justify killing black people bad enough? Do you have to be a hypocrite too? Your posts are full of insults.
     
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    Why reason its here for 20 weeks? Obviously viability is complete bull. Arguments for conception are also very shaky arguments.

    I can see banning abortion before 7 days as a minimum ban and allowing for up to 12 weeks dependent on the availability of adoptions. The only reason being that brain development determines if a human can experience, awareness, and thought. Without a brain there is no possibility of any of these things. After that every day is a risk of killing a child vs a fetus. While a life can compare to a life so that if a mother's life is at risk abortion is acceptable however convenience is not comparable to life such a reason for abortion is arguably immoral. If we are to risk killing a child on the basis of uncertainty of if it is a child or not then it at least should be based on the child's potential for good health and life. As long as there are adoptions available it is really a matter of convenience for the mother and unless there is a problem with development there is no reason the child could not have a great long full life at the cost of a few more months of inconvenience for the mother whom often makes choice to risk such a situation.

    In any case I accept my side of the responsibility of this as I would never have sex with a women who is not ready to take care of a child and/or would kill it. I think more men/boys should be taught to abstain from having sex with women until they are ready to bear the consequences and ensure that the partner would be a good fit. Marriage is a great way of ensuring that your partner is a good fit for providing a good environment for the child. Contraception is not 100% and an orgasm is little reason to burden a women with the horrible decision of abortion, adoption, or motherhood when not ready. Nor is an orgasm a good reason to burden a child with a broken household, abandonment and neglect.

    I should note that I do not think enforcement through law should be the go to to fixing all this. I think culture should be the go to method but also I must acknowledge that protecting basic right to life is one responsibility that the government is entitled to do if not required to do. I do not intend to promote directly punishing women and I do not believe conception a good marker to say life begins.
     
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    Pro Abortion simply does not exist as NOBODY wants abortions. There is a reason this is referred to as Pro Choice because it is believed the woman who is pregnant should be allowed to decide what happens to her own body. Pro Abortion is a term Christians made up to lie about another issue they want to use for control.
     
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    I want other posters to know that the above post is how most Anti-Choicers end up....

    Like this post , spewing venomous lies BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK UP ANYTHING THEY CLAIM.

    In this instance the Anti-Choice poster says that I attempt to justify killing black people..

    However there is no post , no instance where I ever state or indicate I justify killing black people.
     
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    What?

    You don't believe a fetus develops?

    You believe it looks like the Gerber baby from conception?


    Hey, I'm just asking!!!

    Or are you arguing for abortion past viability?








    OMGAWD, now they want a minimum ban....:roll: Is there ANY reason for that...any?





    What? Women will be FORCED (Like rapists FORCE women) to give birth if there's somone waiting for a perfect white baby? (Perfect white babies are what people want so don't go all ballistic on ME)









    A. YOUR "morals " are your own business, don't shove YOUR version off on anyone else and they wouldn't shove theirs on you.
    YOU don't get to decide what is moral for others and certainly shouldn't be able to legislate them.


    B. EVERY pregnancy carries the RISK of death....and the certainty of body damage.

    C. And then that old "convenience" CRAP....... When will these people learn ALL abortions are for convenience.

    WTF else would they be for ? Contrary to what Anti-Choicers say , women do NOT have abortions for FUN.

    It's inconvenient to have a kid you don't want and can't afford.....

    It's inconvenient to DIE from pregnancy and/or childbirth....


    Do YOU really go through your life doing everything as INconveniently as possible !!!






    What uncertainty? It is CERTAIN that it is NOT a child until it is born.






    There's that ignorance about pregnancy....Anti-Choicers seem to think all women do for 9 months is put on weight while taking a long 9 month vacation while all the bills are paid and the house cleaned and the kids taken care of ....all so easy to those who will NEVER be pregnant...


    Here's a shot of facts that YOU will probably ignore.


    Pregnant women suffer temporary and permanent damage to their bodies as it supports a GROWING fetus, they suffer FINANCIAL loss through medical bill, time of work , risk possible job loss, education and career setbacks.....all to give someone else a kid....how STUPID!




    Good to see you're not for Bigger Government like the conservatives who love Big Government if it means harassing women and taking away their rights.
     
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    This was too long to put in my other reply but
    Here is what YOU think is so EASY :


    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)




    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:


    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.











    YUP, pretty damn INCONVENIENT....or don't you think so?
     
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    That's a lot to respond too. Get back to you soon. I will add, right now, that allowing people to take the lives of others and even voting for it goes against my morals as such these are actions or nonactions I cannot live with. It's like how many Germans hold partial blame for what happened to the Jews even though they were not the ones doing the killing when many had an opportunity to say something or oppose it in some way.
     
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    I bet you haven't got time.... ;)


    YES, I do stand up and speak out when others rights are being taken away.....women have as much rights as Jews....and you.


    BTW, comparing the horrors that Jews went through to the quick painless death of a nonperson is despicable.
     
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    So you believe that laws reduce abortion? How many unreported abortions took place when it was banned?
     
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    Not true. Some fanatics urge us to celebrate abortions!

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...es-abortion-disrespects-women-who-choose-life

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/15/abortion-celebration-now-thats-insanely-wrong/

    Elites want control. They want to reduce inconvenient populations.
     
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    I've already posted examples of the abortion industry lying to women. Abortion-lovers often lie about the medical complications of abortion. Let's look at the facts:

    Abortion Risks: A list of major physical complications related to abortion


    Approximately 10% of women undergoing induced abortion suffer from immediate complications, of which one-fifth (2%) were considered major. [19] However the majority of complications take time to develop and will not be apparent for days, months or even years. Major risks and complications of abortion are described, with citations to the medical literature, below.

    DEATH:
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    Death Rates in Finland During the First Year Following Abortion, Miscarriage, or Delivery Compared to an Age Adjusted Population of Women Who Had Not Had Not Been Pregnant in the Previous Year

    According to the best record based study of deaths following pregnancy and abortion, a 1997 government funded study in Finland, women who abort are approximately four times more likely to die in the following year than women who carry their pregnancies to term. In addition, women who carry to term are only half as likely to die as women who were not pregnant. [16] (Click here for more details on this important study.)

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    Comparison of deaths from natural causes (excluding suicide, accidents, and violence) by pregnancy outcome compared to women not pregnant in the year prior to their death.

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    Women who had abortions were 3.4 times more likely to commit suicide compared to women who had not been pregnant in the previous year and 6 times more likely to commit suicide than women who delivered.

    The Finland researchers found that compared to women who carried to term, women who aborted in the year prior to their deaths were 60 percent more likely to die of natural causes, seven times more likely to die of suicide, four times more likely to die of injuries related to accidents, and 14 times more likely to die from homicide.

    Researchers believe the higher rate of deaths related to accidents and homicide may be linked to higher rates of suicidal or risk-taking behavior. [16] (Click here for details on the latest research regarding abortion associated deaths.)

    The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion-related deaths are not officially reported as such. [2] (Click here for more details on the underreporting of abortion related deaths in the U.S.)

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    Maternal Mortality Rates in Denmark for Women Following Abortion Compared to Women Following Delivery

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    Mortality Rates in Denmark Relative to the Number of Abortions a Woman Has

    Two studies of the entire population of women in Denmark published in 2012 have shown similar results. The first found that the risk of death following abortion remains higher in each of the first ten years following the abortion. The second found that the risk of death increases with each abortion, 45% after one abortion, 114% after two abortions, and 192 percent after three or more abortions.

    For a complete review of the literature see Deaths associated with abortion compared to childbirth: a review of new and old data and the medical and legal implications (2004).

    CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
    Women with a history of one abortion face a 2.3 times higher risk of having cervical cancer, compared to women with no history of abortion. Women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of subsequent ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women may be linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage or to increased stress and the negative impact of stress on the immune system. [4]

    UTERINE PERFORATION:
    Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed. [5] Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion. [6] Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.

    CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
    Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix. [7]

    PLACENTA PREVIA:
    Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor. [8]

    SUBSEQUENT PRE-TERM DELIVERIES AND OTHER COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR:
    Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks). [17] Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neonatal death and handicaps.

    PRETERM BIRTH/HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
    Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns. [9]

    Three “study of studies” papers (systematic reviews), have found that prior induced abortions significantly elevate the risk of having a premature birth in the future. One of the authors, Dr. Prakesh Shah of the University of Toronto, had his study published in the prestigious British Journal of Obstetrics & Gynaecology. Dr. Shah reported that one prior induced abortion multiplies premature birth risk by 1.36, but more than one prior induced abortion almost doubles the risk (1.93 times the risk). [20]

    These reviews confirm the finding by the U.S. Institute of Medicine that one of fourteen “Immutable Medical Risk Factors Associated with Preterm Birth” is “prior first trimester induced abortion.” [21]

    ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
    Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility. [10]

    PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
    PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion. [11]

    ENDOMETRITIS:
    Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion. [12]

    IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
    Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most common “minor” complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal disturbances, and Rh sensitization. [13]

    INCREASED RISKS FOR WOMEN SEEKING MULTIPLE ABORTIONS:
    In general, most of the studies cited above reflect risk factors for women who undergo a single abortion. These same studies show that women who have multiple abortions face a much greater risk of experiencing these complications. This point is especially noteworthy since approximately 45% of all abortions are for repeat aborters.

    LOWER GENERAL HEALTH:
    In a survey of 1428 women researchers found that pregnancy loss, and particularly losses due to induced abortion, was significantly associated with an overall lower health. Multiple abortions correlated to an even lower evaluation of “present health.” While miscarriage was detrimental to health, abortion was found to have a greater correlation to poor health. These findings support previous research which reported that during the year following an abortion women visited their family doctors 80% more for all reasons and 180% more for psychosocial reasons. The authors also found that “if a partner is present and not supportive, the miscarriage rate is more than double and the abortion rate is four times greater than if he is present and supportive. If the partner is absent the abortion rate is six times greater.” [15]

    This finding is supported by a 1984 study that examined the amount of health care sought by women during a year before and a year after their induced abortions. The researchers found that on average, there was an 80 percent increase in the number of doctor visits and a 180 percent increase in doctor visits for psychosocial reasons after abortion. [18]

    INCREASED RISK FOR CONTRIBUTING HEALTH RISK FACTORS:
    Abortion is significantly linked to behavioral changes such as promiscuity, smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders which all contribute to increased risks of health problems. For example, promiscuity and abortion are each linked to increased rates of PID and ectopic pregnancies. Which contributes most is unclear, but apportionment may be irrelevant if the promiscuity is itself a reaction to post- abortion trauma or loss of self esteem.

    INCREASED RISKS FOR TEENAGERS:
    Teenagers, who account for about 30 percent of all abortions, are also at much high risk of suffering many abortion related complications. This is true of both immediate complications, and of long-term reproductive damage. [14]

    For more on the risks of abortion to teens, see here and here.

    PSYCHOLOGICAL COMPLICATIONS:
    See this link for Psychological Complications

    The most complete listing of physical complications associated with abortion can be found at AbortionRisks.org
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I want other posters to know that the above post is how most Anti-Choicers end up....

    Like this post , spewing venomous lies BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO FACTS TO BACK UP ANYTHING THEY CLAIM.

    In this instance the Anti-Choice poster says that I attempt to justify killing black people..

    However there is no post , no instance where I ever state or indicate I justify killing black people.





    You can post all you want but you have never presented a FACT.......all you have done is drool "racist" out the side of your mouth and demand black women's rights be taken away.




    :roflol: So there's no black people left !!!??? What?! BOY! Will they be surprised to know you think they've been "decimated"....




    YOU don't want black women to have the same rights as white women and it doesn't get more RACIST than that.

    Can you explain why taking away black women's right to have an ABORTION LIKE white WOMEN HAVE isn't racism?


    YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION YET ACCUSE OTHERS OF RACISM???!!! hilarious!


    :) Thank you proving over and over again that when Anti-Choicers get frustrated they ALWAYS resort to lies and hyperbole because they have no facts....that one of the reasons abortion are still LEGAL :nana:


    It must be so frustrating for you that you can't control women no matter how much you lie and insult people...:) No matter how much you hate women they still IGNORE you and just do as they please and have all the sex and abortions they want and YOU, unable to do anything about it :)

    Contrary to you I think it's quite worthwhile to fight to preserve women's rights and help keep them safe from you, a racist who doesn't want black women to have the same rights and opportunities that white women have .
     
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    WHERE has "the abortion industry " LIED ?

    You still haven't answered that....



    I haven't reviewed your list of the dangers of abortion because it's probably from some Nazi-likeAnti-Choice site.

    Oh, I agree that abortion can cause problems UNLIKE YOU who claims pregnancy and childbirth have NO physical effects at all..


    NO one lied to women and said abortion has no effects.



    BUT the important point that you won't ever understand it that it is the WOMEN'S CHOICE if they want to take the risks or not....just like they decide to have a kid they accept all the risks of pregnancy and child birth as FREE people do, they CHOOSE for themselves....

    Women aren't children or mentally incompetent as YOU CLAIM.......they do NOT need YOUR "care"
     
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    :roflol: Yup, a frustrated Anti-Choicer.....Godwin's law.....


    Funny how they want to compare Pro-Choice to Nazisism when THEY are the one who want women treated like animals JUST LIKE THE NAZIS...
     
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    YES LET'S Here is what YOU , (like Nazis and slave owners) want to FORCE women to do:



    Effects of pregnancy :




    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:


    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death.
     

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