Are Modern States Evolving Into A Permutation Of Nazism?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and only one 'culture' is currently doing that. Hint, they're mostly not white, and not western.
     
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    He slammed you :D
     
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    Shrug. I expected you to think so. Thousands of such communities already exist. I can't guarantee it will work, but it can work. Think of how Christianity became the dominant force in Europe for over a millennium. Hint: it wasn't because of economics. It was because Christians were decent people in a decadent culture.

    You have a rigid, ideological, framework for thinking about history which hampers your imagination. Too bad for you.
     
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    I'm sure similar quitters with your mentality asked the same thing when the bolshevik scum were raping Russia for eight decades. Eventually, the Russian people got their balls back, demanded democracy, and the USSR crumbled.
     
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    Of course it is ... IF the individual cultures are secondary to group progress. That means your Chinese ancestry is expressed via your dinner table and your work ethic, and not much else. Or your Nigerian ancestry is expressed via food and clothing, and not much else. The PRIMARY culture .. that which informs laws and social norms etc, must be paramount and respected by all.
     
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    Yes, multiculturalism is impossible because it is unnatural.
    Big cats are closer in genetics than humans, yet they don't mix because they have different cultures and behaviors. Why should humans not be likewise ?

    Cultures are not equal. Every white feminists who bashes Western Patriarchy would never dare live under the very Sharia they claim to love.
     
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    It is a unified culture filled, mostly, with people who think and look alike.
     
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    If an individual (from that religion) does not condemn any and all forms of terrorism perpetrated in its name, they are not 'righteous'.
     
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    Symbiosis works. Between animals of *very* different genetics.

    Maybe the reason why it works is because there are no progressives to push "equality" (ie equality of outcome, ie communism) between anemones and clownfish.

    If there were they'd just mess up the system.

    There's only two options : meritocracy or separatism. Any implementation of progressive ideology leads to separatism.
     
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    Interesting ideas. That said, here's a question for you.

    If culture springs from the economic base, why is it in the US that although there is a common economic base, we see a wide variety of cultures, some which have little in common?
     
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    There are quite a few problems with what you have put forward. For one thing, families now days quite frequently don't consist of two parents, and if they do, they may not be heterosexual. To be brief, that toothpaste is out of the tube.
     
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    First of all I would like to ask you, who or what does GMB refer to?

    With regards to demoralization via pornography, it is promoted because there are enormous profit associated with it. There is nothing these people like more than making money.

    I would say that they are indifferent to human suffering because greed makes you blind like that. Lust in its various forms gives rise to greed. Lust breeds anger when it is not satisfied. Anger breeds delusion because when one's consciousness is in an angry state one tends to view things that are out of reach, or belong to others as being obstacles on the path to one's satisfaction. Then one wants to destroy or denigrate in some fashion anything that is even remotely associated with the objects of lust. One thus creates enemies sometimes that are imagined or magnifies real threats. Thus one's vision is distorted and one becomes very hardhearted.

    Never heard of transsexuals being cast of transhumans. An interesting conceptualization, whatever a transhumanoid is! LOL
     
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    OK. So what exactly is your point?
     
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    So as is normal for the right, you have no reply on the topic. Got it.
     
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    Immigrants normally bring lots of their culture with them, but aside from that the "American culture" is not very varied. The Cajun culture, Italian culture, etc. would be examples of such variations. Variation would mean differently valuing some behaviors or traditions. Ethnic cultures do that. But we have the culture of individualism, do your own thing, social media, avoidance of any real exploration of other economies to the point of a virtual taboo on discussions of socialism and communism, American music and dance, and the peculiar language of our youth. And all of them mesh nicely with the consumerist culture of capitalism.

    What do you think?
     
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    I would say an authoritarian fascist state could have the same affect.
     
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    I think that was a pretty good stab at it. It is going to take me some time to digest your ideas, because although your responses have been relatively short, there is quite a bit of ideological content contained in them.

    That said I would like to comment on one thing that you have brought forward. This notion of individualism and do your own thing is born from the modern notion of liberalism and manifests itself currently in two ways.

    The first way is that of social liberals who basically believe that a person should be free to act in anyway that makes him happy. Satire's philosophy of existentialism, and various permutations, sprung forth as a result. In essence the attempt is to provide some sort of moral compass, without imposing constraints on the individual. Of course these attempts are defective because the attempt itself is intrinsically contradictory,

    The second way is that of economic liberals who basically believe that a person should be left free to make a profit without any constraints. Such persons subscribe to some variation of the philosophy of the Manchester liberals. However, this attempt is contradictory as well, because it is seen that a person with sufficient means will have the tendency to impose constraints on other potential market participants. They erect various barriers of entry, and other means, including influencing government officials to implement policy favorable to themselves, to stifle the efforts of others. Thus, the so called "free" market is not free at all, but is rather a highly constrained market tailored to suit the needs of a financial oligarchy.

    I suppose the point is that this so called liberalism is in truth anything but liberal, rather it is the antithesis of liberal, i.e. illiberal.
     
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    National socialism is alive and well in all but name.
    I look at the EU and I think what has changed politically?

    Well, the answer here is that they are occupied nations, militarily. Liberal countries have asserted hegemony over them.
    The excesses of zeal are very much reduced. Not so many wars or murders.

    But basically, I see the EU, trying to present it self as a nation with a national self image and a world influence based on it's peoples ability to act in their own national interests.
    And I see socialism as the same political vehicle towards populism it has always been.

    So while Liberalism is indeed corruptible as described above, it is not so corruptible as socialism.
    And this is why, because in socialism the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
    And in Liberalism, it doesn't.
    So while in Liberalism attempts are made to check and balance the power of the masses over the few, no attempt is made in socialism to do so at all. Quite the opposite. Individualism is associated with selfishness and portrayed as inherent anti-socialty.
     
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    No, what you are describing is called hedonism.

    Liberals believe you should be free to behave in any way that does not affect another person.
    So if I want to jerk off to donkey porn in the privacy of my own home, it's no one's business but my own. Whether it makes me happy or not, is also no one else's business.

    The realities of course are that we very often affect other people. And so we have the presumption of equality in Liberalism.
    And this means, if you think racism is bad and I think racism is good, we agree to disagree. That your views, no matter how populist are not superior or more meritous in the eyes of the law.
    Now in socialism we don't get that. The ideology better lends itself to authoritarianism. Because the needs of the many outwiegh the needs of the few. (Or the one).
    My right to be a racist is not allowed by the majority of racist haters.

    Now I've used racism as my deliniator but more or less any social issue can be exchanged for it. Environmentalism. Sexism. Animal rights. Rights to free university. The need to pay for street lighting. Name your issue.

    So typically a liberal looks to a free market solution. One in which everyone can get what they want. But a socialist looks to state solutions where everyone gets what they are told.
    Because for a socialist, you are not a free man, you are a citisen.
    It's an authoritarian ideology. You have an active responsibility to participate in the socialist utopia.
    In liberalism, you have only a passive one. A responsibility not to interfere with others.
     
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    And I would put forward that what you have described as Liberalism is in fact, illiberal.
     
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    Good thoughts to ponder. It seems though that the "do your own thing" culture was brief and limited. It doesn't seem to be of much significance today, yet the underlying idea is still there in this idea many have of "our American freedom" which isn't really so different from the freedoms of other developed, industrialized countries. And worth noting is that among some the idea of our "freedom" takes a position of high priority. I speak of those who wield it like a club to beat back anti-capitalist views.

    Individualism was actually a rallying cry among pro-capitalist activists who were working to transition from feudalism to capitalism. It was a rebellion against bondage to the land and against obligations to vassals and to the lord as guilds led to manufactories and markets. And this individualism was very starkly illustrated in the cultural and the art of realism which was a complete break from the religious art that preceded it. And the call for "individualism" was then adapted to changes in the economic base as history moved forward. Never mind that there was never a meaningful analysis of the role of the concept of individualism in society.

    And to tie this back into the subject of the thread, the idea of individualism is once again being adapted to the current capitalist crisis in that individualism is essentially a shade of isolationism, and nationalism is a relative.
     
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    You have a very, very distorted, incorrect, and right wing view of socialism. It's not at all as you describe.
     
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    I don't follow. Please name some EU countries and the occupying powers of each. Maybe that will clarify what you are saying.


    Again, not sure what you mean by that. I'm tripping up on "political vehicle towards populism".


    "As described above"? I don't see it. And so I can't understand what you mean by "not so corruptible as socialism".


    Hmmm. There's little to bite into there because it's really a mere slogan. To communicate it you would need to flesh it out.
     
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    That was a great post! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
     

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