Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

If I were to throw you a bone and say that Obama certainly could have done more, will you now admit that the man with the power to do something about it today has done nothing? He has sanctions on his desk passed almost unanimously by congress (when the hell does that ever happen) and he refuses to do so. Why has he not publicly called out Russia and putin on this. Why has he done nothing about it now that we have a full and comprehensive report that Obama didn't have? Can you be honest enough to answer that?

 

I don’t need to be “thrown a bone”. Using that tone more than suggests you don’t fully appreciate that the interference completely happened on Obama’s watch, with years of forewarning. We know the Obama Administration failed, and that should be the focus for post-mortem study.

Fast forward to Trump, The current geopolitical world is complex, and sanctions have to be approached from a holistic perspective. Russia is being bad in number of ways. Frankly, losing all perspective over FB infiltration that snookered a lot of snowflakes doesn’t move me. Show that the Russians physically changed ballots to alter the outcome, and we’ll have more in common.

 

exactly, who cares if they don't get to vote. The entire word reports on American elections. Should Americans be banned from seeing this coverage because they might be influenced by it ?
Maybe we should ban foreign travel so Americans don't get to hear what others say?

 

If russians hack and reveal corruption and banana republic behavior coming from our politicians, they are doing the voters and the People a huge favor. Only the crooks, corrupt and people who willingly vote for these people are concerned about this kind of meddling. But the corrupt and criminals never want to be caught, so understandable. Generally speaking propaganda, whether ours or russia's incorporate lies, which are used to affect. But with america and our corruption, the truth works out better than lies, which says a lot about our politicians. And if democrats are hurt by the truth, it doesn't matter where it comes from, but if they can bring McCarthyism back, they will gladly to that in an attempt to obfuscate the truth, which indicts them. Right from the banana republic playbook.

In so far as russians running ads on social media and making comments, I have no problem with it, and see it as just a cost for liberty, freedom, etc. And as long as we, the US continues to interfere in the elections of others, to call out russia for doing it, is hypocritical nonsense. That is like trying to tell me you have the right to come up and slap the crap out of me, and anyone you want to, but you are the only person who has that right and I sure do not have it. But because of cognitive dissonance which is infecting and afflicting many of us here, we cannot discern the truth involved. Or just refuse to acknowledge it due to partisanship. And clearly partisanship inevitable creates cognitive dissonance, which is observable. Even on this thread. Especially on this thread.

And so when the banana republic behavior was revealed by wilkileaks, in regards to the democrats, instead of voting democrats being concerned about what the DNC and hillary did, and wanting to clean up their party, the DP and the DNC tried and accomplished a misdirection, by making this all about russian meddling, even when such a revelation was the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in their own words. Never did any of them say, that russia was revealing the truth about this party and their corrupt banana republic politicians, but instead that putin and trump conspired and this was what was important instead of what the DNC did. And it was a lie, a ruse, in regards to the trump putin conspiracy. But they needed something like that in order to get the attention off of their own anti democratic behavior.

If we fear russians, that they can hack into our voting machines, well, that is easily fixed to where it is impossible for them to do it. But if you want to stop the russians from hacking into political organizations, or the emails of corrupt politicians, and revealing it, well, the best way not to worry about that is to get rid of the corrupt scumbags who act like a banana republic.

If you fear russians buying ads and commenting on social media, then your fears are unfounded unless you think russians can be even worse than our own partisans and what they post in social media, and what campaigns with a billion bucks to spend on negative ads can do to try to affect votes. Russians if they cannot hack voting machines are powerless to elect anyone. I hate to give you a dose of reality, a reality check, but it looks like the partisan driven hysterics need it. They for some reason think russia is much more powerful than they are.

OTOH, if russia starts to kill candidates they do not like, then we do have problems. Let us hope they never emulate the US for we are experts in meddling in elections, and staging a plane crash to get rid of the competition is something we have no qualms about doing, our CIA. As a prior CIA head told us over the weekend, the US has meddled in foreign elections since the 1930s. And we still do it today. And yet americans act like we do not do this and only evil demon nations like russia would ever think of doing it! Or worse, we think that it is fine for the US to do it, but no other nation should, and if they do, we should imprison them. Or even perhaps wage war on them for emulating us. I just do not think any People can be as fu*ked up as the american people can, and are. Or as stupid. There is no fool like an American Fool, and it pisses the americans off like myself who isn't a fool, and does not want to be associated with the fools. And then the fools call americans like me russian trolls. Exactly what one would expect to hear from a certified American Fool. It is like trying to get a logical, rational statement from a resident of an mental institution.

 

I'd rather have Russians since they seem neutral while encouraging demonstrations against both sides (according to Mueller's indictment) and operate on a tiny tiny scale whereas liberals operate on a massive scale supporting big govt schemes that clearly oppose the basic limited govt, carefully enumerated powers spelled out in our Constitution.
I have Black highlighted from your OP is where I got that--Hey I live in Nevada & I just won $10,000-How are you going to pay?

 

dear, saying I'd rather have Russians than liberals interfere is not saying I want Russians to rule our country. Do you understand? Thus, you have accepted the bet and legally owe me $10,000.

 

good points!! Maybe to be fair we have to shut down any international social media in election years so gullible Americans won't be tricked by clever foreigners!

 

Well one of us is going to be proven correct in the next little while and since I don't believe in miracles, I think I'll stick with my own opinion since its grounded in actual facts.

 

In this exchange I’m hard pressed to identify the “facts” of which you speak.

At this point, collusion seems to be more and more of a pipe dream. It was always been surrounded by hysterical leftist emotions, which was a red flag all by itself.

If any charges are forthcoming for Trump, I’m guessing they’ll probably dig up something along the lines of obstruction of justice. We have a situation of “show me the man and I’ll find you a crime”. It’s going to be hard for the SC to walk away with nothing.

 

good guess given how much at least one of the Trump haters who are running the FBI investigation would have leaked something by now if they had it.

 

Mueller does not leak. He indicts

 

Yep, 13 Russians who will never see a courtroom.

Nice.....

 

And that, despite what the indictment said was the Russians pulling for him....

 

Super delegates have nothing to do with Russian Sock Puppets.

Try to keep up

 

I'd rather have the Russians as well.

Since I have been alive (1950's), I have seen that Russia has at least done something to better their country and people.

Things like taking down the Berlin was, repatriating a slew of countries that now control their own destiny, moving in the direction of putting the Russian people in charge of their lives and economy, etc...

During that same mentioned lifetime, I've seen any and everything a liberal touches or has anything to do with turn to dog ****.

 

even with corrupt Trump haters doing the investigations he hasn't indicted anybody significant in over a year but he has really helped Russians sow discord in our country!!.

 

Well who really needed love and family anyway. The liberals have a better way!! And they have turned all our inner cities into Chi-Raq's more dangerous than war zones to demonstrate it to us!!

 

Sock Puppet much?

 

So no then. You can't be honest Noted for future reference. Just another trump apologist.

 

What the **** are you talkin' about?

 

I’ve been completely honest and factual. Point out where you don’t agree. But don’t run away. That’s weak.

BTW, this isn’t a negotiation. “Bones” have no place here. You either agree that Obama owns the failure to stop the Russians, or you don’t. Which is it?

 

You then, must not be from this country---Saying You would rather have Russians-means you are all for dictatorship---you fail again--Pay up---Oh, I am not your dear-sexist much----
and what is this legally sh##-too funny troll-

 

Moderator please--this is a obvious troll thread----

 

You have a problem with your lib/prog brethren being put in their place?

 

So, how much are the Russians paying you?