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A honest question I really want an answer from Repubs

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Feb 19, 2018.

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  1. Ned Lud

    Ned Lud Banned

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    Oh, we all grasp their importance - they keep huge numbers trying to live by laws designed for a murderous slave society. The NRA is a typical example of the way in which antique documents can be used to justify profiteering from murder.
     
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  2. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL

    I can always count on you for a laugh every once in awhile.
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You make the idea that we as a society get to decide what rights citizens have sound rather sinister. But just as the 2nd Amendment asserted militia's have the right to own a musket, in modern times we may decide assault weapons present too high a risk to public safety to be sold. Just as we do not allow people to drive 100 mph down residential streets so too we should not allow people to own certain weapons.
     
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  4. TOG 6

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    Why do you make a statement you know is false?
    'Assault weapons' are in "common use" for the "traditionally lawful purposes" for a firearm - as such, they are "bearable arms".
    The 2nd protects all bearable arms, and thus, 'assault weapons'.

    As 'assault weapons' account for only a tiny % of gun-related cries of all kind, there is no sound argument that they are "dangerous and unusual" and thus outside the protection of the 2nd.
     
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  5. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Gun ownership is part of my safety plan. I live in hurricane country. In the late summer/early fall, I could be plunged into a world where there is no electricity, no phones (even cell), etc.

    Who's Nick Cage?

    Your scenario is unrealistic, and based on no knowledge of how guns really work. Bump Stocks can't just be attached. It takes some work. How is there a library on top of the softball field? Have you actually reread your scenario to realize how stupid it is.
     
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  6. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of the meme, the Honduras information is true. It has one of the highest murder rates in the world. It has strict gun control. Granted, recently, it has had a decrease in murder. It's down to about 8 times ours.


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-25-percent-in-2017-government-idUSKBN1ER1K9
     
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  7. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    In other words, something that is impossible.
     
    perdidochas, Feb 20, 2018
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  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And this would have stopped this shooting how?

    They are already either sitting in an evidence room are were destroyed you think the police turn around and sell them? And ANY such device could be tampered with.
     
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    If that were the case politicians would be campaigning for this, NONE are.
     
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  10. gc17

    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm saying saying the Ballerina told the President to F off when it comes to Chicago, it's really up to the citizens to correct the chaos that is Chicago. Trump offered. Trump respects the 10th amendment more than any leftist.
     
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  11. truth and justice

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    Do you have a link to say that "the Ballerina told the President to F off"? Either way Trump lied to the gullibles with his promise to rid Chicago of gun crime within one week of getting into office
     
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    So ... Port Moresby?

    Rather than address the cause, just keep adding band-aids?
     
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  13. crank

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    An actor.
     
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  14. ocean515

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    Awesome that you would edit my post the way you did.

    The poster that comment was directed to seems to believe that the NRA exists to promote the murder of children.

    Further, the 2nd Amendment doesn't say a militia has a right to own a musket. So why misrepresent that?
     
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  15. Nightmare515

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    There are anywhere from 100-250 million+ unregistered firearms in the US. You can pass a law tomorrow making the registration of all firearms mandatory but how are you going to MAKE people register those 100-250 million firearms that you as the government have no idea where they even are or who has them?

    Government: "Legislation passed, all firearms must be registered at your local law enforcement facility by June 1st"
    Citizen: "Sure"
    Government: "Alright it's now June 2nd and we have a total tally of 20 million new firearm registrations, where are the rest?"
    Citizen: "Dunno, not in my house I don't own any firearms" *goes back to cleaning unregistered AR-15*

    I'm not trying to be funny once again but how exactly are you going to STOP that? You can't MAKE people follow the law and you can't really enforce a law like that.

    What are you going to do? Allow the police unrestricted access to every single home in the United States to search for weapons with or without probable cause?

    Sure you can make all of the laws you want in regards to NEW firearm purchases. Tracking devices, mandatory registration, etc. But that wasn't the question I asked. My question was what are you going to do about the 100-250 million unregistered firearms currently in circulation in the United States?

    I have some firearms, I may have 1, I may have 10, all of them are legally owned and unregistered and the only one that can even be traced back to me if you search hard enough is a plain ol pump shotgun that I bought from a store requiring a background check. The rest have been purchased through private sale.

    So if you passed a law tomorrow requiring I register all of my firearms I have the ability to register as few or as many as I so desire and there is absolutely no way whatsoever for anybody to know if I actually registered all of them or just a couple of them. Hell I could decide to register none of them and there is nothing anybody can do about it because according to the government I have NO firearms because they are currently on NO records.

    I believe you may underestimate the almost sacred belief in the 2nd Amendment among so many Americans. Few folks are going to purchase a firearm with a tracking device in it....Those who wish to do others harm are still going to acquire their firearms the same way they currently do, illegally, and they sure as hell aren't going to buy one of the new guns with GPS tracking in it...they are going to purchase or steal one of the plethora of 200 million unregistered non GPS guns currently in circulation in the US....

    In layman's terms the bottom line is simple. There are way too many guns here already, and way too many unregistered "ghost" guns here in the hands of citizens. You aren't getting them back so instead of trying to pass laws to get them back, which you literally cannot do, it's better to figure out a way to live in a society with that many guns in it. You're trying to close Pandora's Box, and you literally can't.

    Your best bet is to try to identify the nutcases in society, that is at least plausible. Trying to make laws in reference to 100-250 million ghost guns is literally impossible and will change absolutely nothing.
     
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  16. garyd

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    But not a mass shooter,
     
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    They can neither detect all the crazies before they strike than They can effectively disarm them. Decent security and security guards are a start but one has to decide if they wish to spend the money to stop events that are so uncommon. Cato states that a kid's odds of being killed in a school shooting is some what less than one in 2.2 million.
     
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    "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Cars are a different animal,
     
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    gc17 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He's an alt left Democrat it's a given.
     
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  20. Bow To The Robots

    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    Your kid is in far greater danger riding the school bus.
     
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    Gun owners around this forum say they are law abiding citizen. I'm guessing you included. Am I to understand all of a sudden you and yours will become law breakers and not comply with this new law? Which is it? are legitimate gun owners law abiding citizens or not?
     
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  22. Bowerbird

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    There is actually quite a body of research supporting the opposite - that an increase in firearm availability means an increase in firearm mortality and crime rate https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178903000442

    And I could put more articles up there but they would be pooh poohed by the ardent right
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Statistics please
     
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  24. Bowerbird

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    But but but meme is real an they tell the truth!!! No like science that lies!!!

    Memes concern me because of the visual impact a lot of people who are "hard of thinking" believe in the meme which is why I will often counter meme to meme
     
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    Of course - because as you know, correlation does not prove causation.
    Except, apparently, when you want it to.
     
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