The NRA has never supported bump stocks, though they are kind of a nothing anyway in that a person can fire a semi-auto as false and far more accurately without one. Bumpstocks just throw a lot of bullets up into the air plus no aiming. The unique situation of the Las Vegas shooter dropping bullets randomly into a massive crowd gave it some functionality, but had he NOT used a bump stock he would have killed more people than he did.
Prove it. The NRA has never supported bump stocks. They are a worthless novelty. The Vegas shooter using a bumpstock did not cause more deaths, it caused less. Aiming with a bumpstock is essentially impossible. Had he actually been aiming with such as a legal .308 Springfield semi-auto he would have killed far, far more people. His using a bump stock likely saved lives, though not one person dare say so. Sure, outlaw bump stocks. Won't change anything, nothing, other than a few more people may die because of it by NOT using a bump stock and instead actually aiming while rapidly pulling the trigger at actual targeted people. Anti-gun people tend to be notably ignorant about firearms as, fortunately, are most mass shooters. The AR15 is used because of the impression it is the most deadly. Yet anyone who knows even a little about firearms knows that it is not. Nor is a firearm the most effective mass killing means. Not even close.The Vegas shooter would have killed more people if he had crashed the gate at 70 mph in a rented 26 foot U-Haul truck - and that assuming he also did not put drums of gasoline in the back with a homemade black powder bomb to set it off. The ubber killing power of an AR15 is a false myth. Yes, it kills. But it is way down the totem pole even among firearms. It's a high velocity 22, the smallest caliber (other than the rare .17 small rodent rifles). Make it a .308 and the death rate doubles. Make the attack instead by a bomb or truck or both truck and bomb and it can skyrocket. IF the only action taken as a solution is to outlaw rifles such as the AR15, the result will NOT be less mass murder deaths. It will be more mass murder deaths by more deadly methods employed. It is a FACT the largest numbers of those killed in mass murder incidents has NOT been by firearms. Both explosives and vehicles have killed far more in the present or past. It is unfortunate that McVey did not opt to mass kill using an AR15 and same for the French driver of the delivery truck as a lot less people would have died. Ask people this question and I bet not 1 in 10,000 could answer it: When and how was THE most deadly attack against an American school? Do you know the answer? 1927. Over 100 people. Explosives.
Bump stocks had NOTHING to do with the school shooting. Trump, always the coward, picked low hanging fruit. The idiot probably bleevs he just did something about gun violence.
Instead of rushing to Obama's defense like a true pseudocon why don't you answer doombug's question - why didn't dickhead Obama ban bump stocks under his own watch?
That's been answered. Try to catch up. It's funny you don't ask yourself what's Trump's excuse for not repealing and replacing ObamaCare since Republicans control Washington now.
Are you wearing diapers right now? You can climb out of the sandbox and dispense with the puerile ad homs any time you're ready. You seem to be defending Obama like a true pseudocon. Tell us about the regulatory and legislative steps Obama took to ban bump stocks in 2010 or the remaining six years he was in office. Articles and links, thank you. This thread is about bump stocks, not the Bush tax cuts. Start your own thread on the Bush tax cuts or stay on topic. I'm not interested in your red herrings. It takes a full-on Obama sycophant to make such a claim. In 2010 the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress and could have easily passed such a bill with the help of a few RINOs. However, Obama being the lousy president that he was didn't exercise the leadership necessary to pass such a bill. I'm not even aware of any action that President Arbitrary Executive Fiat took with his phone and pen to do what the Executive could do to ban or restrict the possession of bump stocks. Said the Obama defender who deals in childish ad homs...
You rushed to Obama's defense like one of his "progressive" sycophants instead of answering doombug's question. By all means, get me caught up and answer doombug's question - why didn't dickhead Obama do anything about bump stocks under his watch? It would be funny if this thread was about FullRetardCare instead of the banning of bump stocks. What's funny is your defective "logic" and your incessant attempts to change the topic of this discussion - the banning of bump stocks - and the questions surrounding Obama's failure to ban them when Democrats had control of Washington.
HA HA HA HA HA "radical fringe". If you think that I am " radical fringe" then you do not know know what radical or fringe are. I had thought that you would be perceptive enough to understand that the only reason Trump is in favor of restrictions on bump stocks is because the NRA is ok with that. Hence he figuratively got their permission. You can save you ranting at me about " assault" weapon definition because even though I do not use that term I at least have fired what some people consider an "assault" weapon. Of course neither I nor those of us who had used such a weapon called it an assault weapon we just called a "16" or an M-16. So if you want to rant at someone about assault weapons you can go a find someone who uses that term. I do not need to repeat myself since I stated many times that this problem with violence and mass shooting is a multi faceted and multi level problem so there is no one cause hence no one solution.
Oh, so ACTUALLY, what you are saying now is that Trump "figuratively got their (NRA's) permission"...? Glad to see you were semi-honest enough to 'walk this back', because as you stated it in your earlier post, you were dishonestly wrong! You are right, though, that this is a multi-faceted, multi-level problem. And the only (ONLY) way we will ever create a real solution to the problem is by focusing tightly on the CREATURES that commit these crimes, or give every sign that they will commit these crimes. Blaming the "gun" is idiocy. It has been said a million times -- "Guns don't kill people -- PEOPLE kill people!" Disarming sane, law-abiding citizens is NOT going to get rid of our lunatic, criminal fringe with drug-addictions, homicidal fantasies, and other "issues".... Frankly, the time has come when we MUST find a way to get these creatures out of the society the rest of us must live in. They are a "clear and present danger"!
It doesn't matter what you buy. The fact that the ammosexuals resisted any form of gun control even after sandy hook is evidence enough that the paranoid right values their guns more than American children. They showed the world that they are fine with innocent kids gets murdered as long as they retain the ability to rise up against the government one day. It's pathetic and a joke.
Disingenuous again. Of course a mass shooting where hundreds of people are shot is going to garner more coverage than a series of individual events over a period of time. If you're going to keep pretending to be foolish, I won't waste anymore time with you.
The obvious question was asked. If this was so easy, why didn't Obama make it happen. The Dems had congress for his first 2 years in office to include a 60 majority in the Senate. Where is it that the Democrats have been true leaders? All they do is point fingers and fail!
First of all, there is no regulatory authority that allows this to be done by regulation. Congress has to act. Second, none of the shootings that occurred during the Obama years involved bump stocks. Third, Trump could have acted after a man using a bump stock left 500 people wounded in Las Vegas. Instead, he waited out the news cycle and did nothing. Which, I'm sure is his strategy this time too.
The Dems screwed up that us obvious. You say they just point fingers. But what are you doing now? You are just pointing fingers. This problem us too complex for a one party solution.
Agreed. But don't count on it. Trump is going to try and wait out the news cyle and do nothing, as he did with Las Vegas. That has been the NRA's strategy since Sandy Hook. And so far, it has worked. One of the reasons people were especially disheartened about the Florida shootings, is that they know that there is no empathetic calming voice in the White House to provide either leadership or genuine sympathy.
Doesn't matter. Dems have milked DACA amnesty for several election cycles. Economy, taxes, heath care, and gun control deftly handled ... where's the DNC's platform?
LOL, so many on the left do not like the constitution. The last AWB did not ban the alleged ‘assault weapons’, just certain cosmetics.
You're right - it doesn't matter what lame excuses I won't buy. What I think will never change the fact Obama & Democrats didn't act when they controlled Washington. Excuses, not results - that pretty much sums up Obama's presidency...
