Mike Flynn Moving To Withdraw Guilty Plea. Here's Why.

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  1. yardmeat

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    According to the info we have now, he's taking over an investigation that started after Papadopoulos leaked the fact that Russians had the hacked emails and were reaching out to the Trump campaign with them. Regardless, Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his contact with the Russians. That's simply a fact. The notion that he's withdrawing his plea is pure speculation.
     
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    If this does fall apart Trump WILL be president again, wow, this is absolutely unbelievable.

    The Democratic Party used to stand for equality, I used to love like 49% of what they stood for, voted for Bill Clinton and remember having a tough time chosing between what I considered the moral high ground of the Democrats vs the Fiscal high ground of the Republicans.

    But now all you hear is Identity Politics, grouping whites vs blacks, gays vs straights, educated vs non educated or whatever else they can find to divide our country. This along with incredible wastes of time and money like this Russian collusion crap....

    It is being made PAINFULLY obvious that Russia is just trying to sow discord within our country, they are not supporting Trump, nor are they supporting Hillary, they are simply supporting whatever will get into the tabloids enough to divide the country more and more and the Left leaning media is eating it up.

    If this goes bad, oh man .....

    Trumps approval numbers have been slowly climbing and if this falls apart and proves we wasted all this time and money on NOTHING, then his tax bill goes through which most of America has shown they want, WOW...... WOW, is all I can say.

    I cannot believe the Left media will not just admit they are wrong and try and change tactics. The Democratic Party still stands for a lot of great things, but this Identity Politics crap has gone over the cliff and it is making the Democratic Party look horrible.

    The only thithat can save the Dems now is if a celebrity runs like Cloony or Oprah and if that happens and they win based on a popularity contest, it will simply divide the country more and we will end up seeing violence.
     
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    Yes, conjecture and speculation. Gotta call a spade a spade here, and as always the proof will be in the pudding. I heard this morning that a WP article supposedly read what flynn said and could not find a reason for the charge he pleaded guilty to. Anyone know anything about this? It might be interesting to know what the article said and any facts they based this on.

    We should know that such charges can be brought, in order to strike fear into the one charged in hopes they might tell Mueller something which would help his investigation into the alleged russian/trump collusion since this allegation was one of the reasons for the investigation to begin with. Apparently Flynn must not have been able to give them what Mueller wanted? This is conjecture on my part, and unlike the trump haters, I will note that for clarity.

    This will be interesting to watch though, and perhaps the revelations will reveal what our reality is, on this issue. The truth is always welcomed. If you are not a partisan. If a partisan, the truth, if it shows one to be a fool, easily duped, or hurts your tribe can be addressed with denial, or tin foil hattery, and a refusal to accept any reality which one did not fabricate for partisan reasons. Not being able to negate the facts, but refusing to accept reality anyways.
     
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    Your source is the Daily Wire: the report is suspect. You can't find a more upright prosecutor than Mueller. Someone is just trying to create an issue that doesn't exist. It's only Trump and his base who are accusing Mueller of being biased and not straight. They must be really afraid of what can come of the investigation or they wouldn't constantly be trying to discredit Mueller and the FBI.
     
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    What it is is **** stirring.
     
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    Of course it is "speculation".

    Even the notion that Flynn "might be withdrawing his plea" is as ridiculous as thinking the Roswell Aliens are going to land again tomorrow.

    The whole story is just RW Fever Swamp BS, being pushed by Fox "News" Bigfoot Worshippers.

    Nobody who possesses (even a scintilla of) actual intellect takes the notion seriously.

    This "Flynn might withdraw his plea" story is just more of the same DELUSIONALLY FALSE Narrative that the RW BS Factory salivates over.

    It is a complete JOKE (and completely unworthy of being taken seriously).

    *Cue RW Tinfoil Hat Rebuttal"

    Flynn withdrawing his plea? :roflol:

    Do the RW Tinfoil Hats even realize how RIDICULOUS they look giving legs to this FALSE narrative?

    (Even taking into account the FACT that the RW Tinfoil Hats, long ago, abandoned any hope of ever having their RW BS taken seriously--This Flynn story is beyond ludicrous, even for them.)

    Flynn withdrawing his plea? :roflol:
     
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    Sure.

    Actually what Flynn was charged with was 1. Saying he didn't ask the Russian ambassador to not retaliate for Obama's sanctions his last day in office and 2. For saying he didn't remember another conversation he had.

    I find it interesting he was charged for saying "he didn't remember" something. Quite interesting indeed.

    Anyway, it'll all come out in the wash.
     
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    The celebrity factor in elections is disturbing, particularly when one considers both how effective it is and what is behind it.

    On the effectiveness of this factor, there can be no doubt a celebrity has the obvious advantage of greater name recognition, they've got fans, followers and supporters some State assemblyman rising through the ranks and making a national bid will never have. A celebrity will have learned to express views and support causes most popular with his fans since the celebrity's success depends on this, they will convey support the LGBT community, favor gun control, be concerned about climate change, outraged over sexual predations and have a public reactions system set up to express support or opposition to whatever trends in the public discourse. The aspiring State assemblyman is more concerned over the issues of his district, his constituents come to him with issues that relate to traffic or homeless encampments, they need school improvements or may be upset over some police incident, 'provincial' concerns that have little following on a national scale and which can and are resolved locally dickering for funds, negotiating support from competing politicians.

    Then there's what is behind the celebrity factor, the political skills of a celebrity are not in evidence, these are artists, entertainers, they have talent, but we don't know if they have the skill set needed for political success, can they compromise, are they good negotiators, are they knowledgeable about whatever issues they must confront? Now and then some celebrity passes away and we get treated to these extensive documentaries on their life. The media has much more footage on any actor or musician than it does on anyone else, so we get extensive coverage of the celebrity's charitable works and commitment to social causes, evidently they're all generous philanthropists. Some of this is pure public relations, the celebrity needs to be in the news, they have to promote themselves continually, they're livelihood depends on it, but there are plenty of them who never graduated from high school, they became famous for their talents, not their intellectual brilliance.
     
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    The source is irrelevant to the facts presented but FOX was also sourced in this thread.
     
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    You seem nervous.
     
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    Time to file some complaints against the law licenses of Mueller and company if they withheld exculpatory evidence from the defense and the court.
     
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    They do it for all the money they are raking in. Notice that to this date Mueller has refused to publicly disclose how much money he, his Democrat lawyers and staff are stuffing into their own personal pockets over this. The more corrupt they are, the more they personally profit so why not?
     
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    Yes - it’s a great gig if you can get it.
     
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    How Weissmann still has a license to practice law is beyond me.
     
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    What if Sessions’ “aggressive” investigation of that leak reveals it’s source is Strzok, or someone like him, a lead investigator or someone on Mueller’s legal team?

    The leakage has come down a bit, but why do you think 27 leaks of classified information (including Flynn’s call) took place immediately following Trump’s election, while before there were just about 3 a year?
     
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    He pled guiltily because the FBI caught him in a perjury trap. It was a set up pure and simple. This American hero was forced to sell his house to pay legal fees.
     
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    Speaks to Obama’s policy by which all the “intelligence” was shared with multiple federal agencies just before Obama left office.
     
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    Ah yes - when the facts are “inconvenient” attack the source. Alinsky 101.
     
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    Comey said Flynn never lied. He doesn't understand why Flynn ever plead guilty. And Comey is no friend of Flynn.
     
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    There are so many investigations going on. Everyone is investigating everyone. And people wonder why Americans hate Washington.

    Somehow it reminds me of the old "Spy vs. Spy" cartoon series in MAD magazine.
     
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    In this instance, we don't have any 'facts.' At the same time, a rightwing, biased, conservative news source is not reliable. I know you people say the mainstream media is against you, but that is just you attacking the source of 'facts' you don't like.
     
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    What facts are in question ??

    Who are “you people” ?? What are the characteristics of “you people” ?? What facts do “you people” attack on CNN & MSNBC ??

    Have you read “Media Madness” by Howard Kurtz ?? If not why not ??
     
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    You people, rightwingers, are just ridiculous. There are no facts in the source in the OP. And first, no one tells me what to read. Second, I don't read rightwing propaganda. And finally, your post is just hilarious.
     
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    No answers ?? Predictable disappointment ?? No one tells me what to read ??? Alinsky 101. Hilarious.
     
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