It’s time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say<<MOD WARNING>>

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" 'You would see drastic reductions in what I call gun massacres' with the return of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, said Louis Klarevas of the University of Massachusetts at Boston....

" 'For his 2016 book 'Rampage Nation,' Klarevas collected data on every gun massacre — which he defines as six or more people shot and killed — for the 50 years before 2016. His aim was to see whether there was any change in the number of gun massacres while the 10-year federal ban on assault weapons was in place....

"Compared with the 10-year period before the ban, the number of gun massacres during the ban period fell by 37 percent, and the number of people dying from gun massacres fell by 43 percent. But after the ban lapsed in 2004, the numbers shot up again — an astonishing 183 percent increase in massacres and a 239 percent increase in massacre deaths."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-violence-experts-say/?utm_term=.5a8e2699640c

I think this could be part of solution. I am glad that someone decided to thoroughly research the relationship between the awb and mass shootings. It reminds me of what happened in Australia after their gun buyback- a big drop in mass shootings.

 

The gun violence experts got it wrong back in 1994, what makes you think they are still experts ?

 

Gun Ban experts love a Gun Ban since they an propose nothing of significance.

 

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ..

 

What kind of "expert" doesn't realize that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban didn't reduce the number of existing weapons at all, or note that perfectly functional variants of the AR-15 were available for sale throughout the decade of the ban? What kind of expert fails to nite that in the last year of the ban there were 393 recorded homicides with all kinds of rifles, and ten years later there were 254 in 2014? What kind of expert fails to note that in the ten years after the ban there were five years with zero mass shootings where an "assault weapon" was used? Heck, in 2010 there was a single mass shooting recorded by Mother Jones.

What kind of expert demonstrates a significant lack of expertise? Your kind of expert.

 

so none of these experts nor you, found the years worth of people notifying authorities about this last shooter being a threat or the FBI itself identifying this guy as an imminent threat as a potential school shooter but not doing anything at all...the problem. The experts and their peanut gallery see the guns? These are no experts.

 

Absolutely everything about this post is wrong and not based in real numbers.

 

Even if such were justified by the outcome, it would make no difference. The united state supreme court stated, in absolute terms, that the protections of the second amendment extended prima facia to all implements that constitute bearable arms, and that the "dangerous and unusual" standard cannot be used to prohibit firearms.

 

Isn't it just amazing how much legalized 'gun fun' you can have at the expense of the lives of people you couldnt care less about

 

They sing one song. It's always the gun's fault...unless it's a cop, then it's the cop's fault.

 

It is not amazing just how much meaningless emotional rhetoric can be forcefully inserted into a single sentence response, in an attempt to shame individuals into following bad and useless policy?

 

If something is shameful I'll always call it out as such ..... sorry

 

spot on...spot on!

 

Doing such in a sloppy and unprofessional manner does not benefit the situation.

 

As a poster here is fond of saying, my guns have killed fewer people than ted kennedy's car.
My ownership and possession is not at the expense of the lives of anyone who does not intend a felony against my person or that of my fellows.

 

Your lack of understanding of basic reality and logic is well documented.

 

Heres an alien concept for you. The government here is actually doing what we want it to do. Trust doesn't come into it. Any government anywhere else in the developed world who chose to copy your gun idiocy would face electoral oblivion and rightly so

 

Oh really ?
What about the Genocide your Country tried on the U.S. failed,
Ireland has been subject to the same, India, they were smart and kicked you lot to the curb.

Truth is, you lot had no gun problem, they took your guns and you just stood by and let them.

Howsoever, it is all for the best, your people were never to be trusted with guns anyway.

 

Can you guys not grasp the simple concept that we do not want guns here. We think having the facility to kill one another as easily as you can is a very bad idea and your 1.5 million domestic gun fatalities over the last half century underline just why nobody in their right mind would want to emulate your example. As a consequence our governments are doing exactly what we want them to do. Do you honestly believe anyone here (except our psychopaths perhaps) are somehow secretly pining for our lost guns and that its our 'democratically elected government' won't let them ? Any electoral party in Europe would face instant electoral oblivion by capmpaigning on a pro gun ticket

 

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I will say this, I not only own and use various weapons....I also hunt. In the 12 years I've been hunting and hosting various hunting groups on my property, I've seen NO "assault type" weapons used for hunting. Zippo, nada. How many hunters in the US use an assault rifle for hunting? - "If you mean real “assault rifles” (which have select-fire capability) then “none,” since there are only a handful of real assault rifles in civilian hands.If you mean the semiauto guns that are often referred to as “assault rifles” because of their appearance, then not all that many. Most modern military rifles use high-speed, small-diameter bullets that don’t have enough power for hunting deer-sized game (or larger)"

I have no objection to any laws that stem the sale of assault type weapons.
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I don't know where you live, but out here in the West ARs in .223 are popular varmint guns, and it only takes about ten seconds to install a second upper that's chambered in a larger caliber for bigger games. ARs are also popular for hog hunts in states like Texas and for three gun competition.

Do you have any objections to a law banning the sale and possession of all semiautomatic handguns?

 

I will say this, I not only own and use various weapons....I also hunt. In the 12 years I've been hunting and hosting various hunting groups on my property, I've seen NO "assault type" weapons used for hunting. Zippo, nada. How many hunters in the US use an assault rifle for hunting? - "If you mean real “assault rifles” (which have select-fire capability) then “none,” since there are only a handful of real assault rifles in civilian hands.If you mean the semiauto guns that are often referred to as “assault rifles” because of their appearance, then not all that many. Most modern military rifles use high-speed, small-diameter bullets that don’t have enough power for hunting deer-sized game (or larger)"

I have no objection to any laws that stem the sale of assault type weapons.[/QUOTE]

Was it known by yourself, that when semi-automatic rifles first came into production and existence, they were first marketed exclusively to hunters and sportsmen in the united states? It was decades before the united states military ever saw the viability of such arms, while hunters were using them to take deer and other game.

 

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#1 - I guess it's the vernacular I use. When I say "hunting", I basically mean legal game animals which I use my 30.06. However, going after nuisance critters such as squirrel, rabbit, possum and seagulls is hunting too. I use a 22 rifle for that.

#2 - I have no objections to semi-auto hand guns but without extended or Hi-cap cartridges.
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The AR is available in .30-06, and nearly all other common big game calibers. It's also available in all rimfire calibers and the flat shooting calibers like .22-250.

My pistols came with 14 and 18 round magazines. Those are standard capacity.

 

AR rifles can be had in any number of legitimate hunting calibers for the hunting of game at all levels, and one AR receiver can use a broad range of calibers, from .22 LR to .50 BMG, simply by popping out two pins and switching the upper/barrel assembly.

As a former law enforcement officer who has used semi-automatic handguns professionally for a very long time, I take exception to the phrase "Hi-cap". Some seem to think a mag that holds anything more than 6 rounds is "Hi-cap" but If a Glock 17 uses a 17 round magazine as it was designed for then that 17 round magazine is a standard capacity mag, not "Hi-cap".

....and I can cite several instances where a person using a pistol to save their own life from a murderous assault had their backside saved by the availability of a proper semi-auto pistol with a substantial payload of ammunition in its magazine.