What is wrong with American traditions

i honestly don't understand why you're still bothering with all of the dog whistles

and i ignored that video because the idea that the jews are responsible for movements that originated from plainly godawful material conditions is ludicrous. such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

 

Oh crap I didn't think I was going to get you to admit that Jews have been behind almost all of the social justice changes in this country. Well I guess that's all I have to say.

 

Hey @logical1 the liberal and conservative Forum members have come to an agreement that we cannot have the things you say because certain Jewish people have made sure in the past and will continue to ensure that we will never go back to them.

 

Interesting, so you claim Enlightenment thinkers, who were mostly European Christians, are responsible for the modern evolution of the West, but then admit that Jews have been responsible for all of the social movements over the past 100 years.

 

Except you try to turn it into a conspiracy rather than recognizing it as an oppressed minority group rebelling against the majority that discriminated against them and others.

 

Your ignorance on the subject is probably due to the fact that you ignored the video. It makes it pretty clear.

 

The Enlightenment started it. It has been continually evolving. You can’t claim all men are created equal and should have protected rights and then go “Except the Irish...and Jews...and Blacks...and gays...and women...and...”

People call out that hypocrisy.

 

Not only is that factually incorrect....

No, it's just factually incorrect.

 

Why would I bother watching an off-brand edition of Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

 

Glad we determined the group responsible for the elimination of the things mentioned in the OP. Took a weird turn when you started balking about the Enlightenment as a smokescreen. We know who you serve.

 

The Enlightenment is where it began. Christians started it then stopped the process and turned into the oppressors when they wanted to create special exceptions to “all men are created equal”. It took other groups to carry the movement forward from that point.

 

The Founders who wrote those words were applying them to white European Christians of good moral character. They made that clear in the Federalist papers, the Naturalization acts, and other source documents. Trying to link them to the Jewish communism of the modern era, with all of the ensuing degeneracy, is absurd. Even for you.

 

It has nothing to do with that, for starters.

 

Yep, the Founders had their own bigotry. It took other groups to evolve society and work to bring real equality and freedom to all rather than just those Rich White Conservatives Christian Men approved of.

 

You can pretend Judaism stands for freedom and equality for all if you want. The Talmud makes it very clear that that isn’t the case at all. We saw how much freedom and equality existed in Bolshevik Russia, which has much more in common with your ideology than anything related to the Founders.

But I appreciate when people like you distance yourselves from the foundation of the country in this way. It highlights that you’re not really connected to the country in any way. Yours is a cosmopolitan residence.

 

All Jews are religious fanatics who closely follow the Talmud?

 

Look, I know the argument folks like you make. You trace the well known overlap between early 20th century art movements and radical politics and seize on the common jewishness of several key figures and thus identify all of the things you don't like as a jewish degeneracy crumbling the integrity of the nation, which is always seen as an autonomous and homogeneous collective. Same **** every time. I've talked to a million people just like you and all of you think you're somehow different from the others.

A common thread is that you never engage with the ethical assertions of the left at all. You ignore the question that the left is responding to and instead assert that there was no genuine problems and leftists were just agitators. But the problems exist, you're just ignoring them. You can never compare what the left wants to do with what the right wants to do and say "Look, this is better and here's why" because to anyone who isn't deeply steeped in fascist ideology it sounds monstrous and you know that.

 

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No, but it’s become a part of Jewish culture over the centuries to the point where it doesn’t even matter if they are religious. Some notable rabbis have said over the years that communism was inspired by the Talmud and Judaism overall.

 

Democrats .

 

Trend shows that religion has gone to proverbial hell in the US of A.



Churches are depending on illegals for the main supply of new members.

Sure, anything is possible, but trends rule over wishes. The older conservative vote is dying off and is not being replaced by young conservatives. Those are the facts. In the old days there was never a debate between the Dems and Reps when it came to gun confiscation or if 2 men could get married.

Here, look how it as in the early 60's. You put in your 30 years for one company and retired with a pension.

https://archive.org/details/RetirementPartyDavidR.Shackleford

All white guys too! That time is long gone.

Now you have the homosexuals in arms demanding 2 hairy men can be husband and wife. Then you have the Dems demanding the 2 hairy men can be husband and wife. So the citizens look towards their politicians for right and eventually it becomes normal. And if you say otherwise you're a bigot.

The Dems use CA as the model for all of America. So CA is a good barometer for how your future looks.

BTW, these pix were not from CA...they were from Ohio.

 

Who are these “notable rabbis”?

 

NIHILISM.

Because the "progressive" Nihilists who want to fundamentally transform our society have to tear all of that down to build their utopian society.

Sounds crazy, right? But that's exactly what happened in Russia and France before and during their revolutions. The pillars of society had to be destroyed.

And for what? What is the shiny utopian alternative that they have to offer and why, despite all their efforts over the centuries, have they only managed to make things worse?

A former "progressive" turned conservative, David Horowitz, pondered this in The Politics of Bad Faith: The Radical Assault on America's Future, and he observed this:

On one point Horowitz and I may disagree, and that is on the final sentence.

While I agree that radical idealism is radical nihilism, I contend that the objective of this war of destruction is destruction itself, which is pure, unadulterated Nihilism.

 

Your ideology isn’t about solving problems, though. If anything, it’s about creating more problems, exclusively to benefit a small group who has lived as nomads for thousands of years and developed an evolutionary group strategy to avoid being kicked out of countries they inhabited. I don’t think the problems of the West are bad enough that we need to completely dismantle society just so one small group can have an easier time.

Maybe THEY are the ones who should dump their ethnonationalism and live with their neighbors and assimilate? Is that even possible? Seems a lot easier than changing every other society on Earth.

 

Actually it was the lesser of the 2 proverbial evils. You have to be a real, stinky POS to lose to Trump. And Hil fit the proverbial bill...didn't she?